M-14 Clinic: 100 Mile House: Day 3 & 4
- Thread starter Rugerman
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Everyone is sleeping and I'm thinkin about the amazing day we just had. The guys were up to 1 a.m. tellin stories and reflecting on the events at the range. More fun than most of us expected. If you've been on Hungry's firing line, you know what I mean 
Tonight we checked headspace on a bunch of rifles using Gothmog's bolt tool and clymer headspace guages. BC308 demonstrated his 30-06 case bolt reassembly method , we trimmed extractor and ejector springs, bedded trigger pads on a G.I. stock and cleaned and lubed in preparation for tomorrow's 9am firing line appointment
Sat around the campfire like a bunch of good friends, after chowin down burgers and baked spuds from my wife's kitchen. It's pretty much unanimous, I've got the coolest wife a guy could hope for
Anyhow, that wraps up day 3, I gotta crash, 7am is comin fast
Tonight we checked headspace on a bunch of rifles using Gothmog's bolt tool and clymer headspace guages. BC308 demonstrated his 30-06 case bolt reassembly method , we trimmed extractor and ejector springs, bedded trigger pads on a G.I. stock and cleaned and lubed in preparation for tomorrow's 9am firing line appointment
Sat around the campfire like a bunch of good friends, after chowin down burgers and baked spuds from my wife's kitchen. It's pretty much unanimous, I've got the coolest wife a guy could hope for
Anyhow, that wraps up day 3, I gotta crash, 7am is comin fast
Nice pics.....Sounds like a great clinic guys.....I am envious .
I went to my first one in Barrie then I was at the 2 day one in Millcun last year and the 2 day one in Petawawa this year was great so now ........We have to set up a clinic like this here in Ont ....4 days of fun with Barney and Thomas !!!
Barney you have to convince Thomas to come to Pet next year ....its only fair..LOL
I cant compete with the Salmon though .
I went to my first one in Barrie then I was at the 2 day one in Millcun last year and the 2 day one in Petawawa this year was great so now ........We have to set up a clinic like this here in Ont ....4 days of fun with Barney and Thomas !!!
Barney you have to convince Thomas to come to Pet next year ....its only fair..LOL
I cant compete with the Salmon though .
Ah, but we're close enough to have lobsters shipped in from Nova Scotia...hehe.
Mmmmmm lobster.... I'm in
At the Lone Butte range for day 4. BIG HUGE props out to Rugerman our range coordinator for the event. Thanx also to the group of guys that assisted with set ups yesterday and today.
I'm a spectator today, my back is done from indexing so many barrels, no CQB drills for me
Watching the action however is great, these guys are learnin and laughing and gettin yelled at LOL , no one is going to forget this event any time soon.
I'll leave it to others to post their reviews and thoughts on this event.
Thanx to you all for coming out, yer all welcome at my place anytime
This is a good moment to offer many thanks to Thomas' wife (and to Thomas) for the great meals! People would come for miles around for that BBQ pork! And the Salmon! To die for!
Maybe Thomas and Nina should open a restaurant......
I learned tons about my M14 as I'm sure everyone did thanks to the guiding hands of Thomas and Co.
The range portion was also crazy fun! I need more "5.5" mags! Lol
Thanks to Barney for his overwhelming generosity and comic relief.
Not to mention the intense learning environment.
Let's do it again!
Maybe Thomas and Nina should open a restaurant......
I learned tons about my M14 as I'm sure everyone did thanks to the guiding hands of Thomas and Co.
The range portion was also crazy fun! I need more "5.5" mags! Lol
Thanks to Barney for his overwhelming generosity and comic relief.
Not to mention the intense learning environment.
Let's do it again!
E2 stock ... E2 compensator ... MMMMMM goodness!
Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
LOL...Thanks Otokiak, That one was mine! Glad to hear you're making a deal with Touch157. How come you didn't come to the Thomas/Hungry clinic? It was at least as much fun (and maybe more)as shooting full auto with different!!!
The Ingram Custom Rifleworks M14 clinic , "summertime bash, will be an annual event, same dates, but we will be arranging a more suitable range location a little closer to home base.
But if Hungry wants to invite me out for a 4 day clinic in ontario.... I'm in
Oh, I'm SO in for next year!
Really wanted to go this year, but brand new job, uncertain schedule, extra training, didn't want to book a week off so early when I need the money so bad...but next year I'll buy a shorty just to bring to the event!
First off I would like to say thanks to 45acpking's wife and family for letting us take over their house as well and feeding us.To 45acpking for all to great info, and letting me sleep in his yard. To Hungry for coming out and running two awesome range days, much was learned by all. Last but not least to Rungermen and Popcan for facilitating.
It was a great time and great people. Damn thats a lot to type on my cell, I will post more when I get back to Sask. Still on my way home lol
Shawn
It was a great time and great people. Damn thats a lot to type on my cell, I will post more when I get back to Sask. Still on my way home lol
Shawn
Whooo hooo... I'm finally in White Rock at my brother's place. 5 or 6 hours to get here but I had to negotiate through Aldergrove to South Surrey/ White Rock without a GPS and just using the Mapquest directions, it worked. I am finally showered (was I ever grubby).
Many things to be thankful for:
Thomas put on great meals and I'm really worried that I gained weight. He facilitated a great gathering. Many , many laughs around the fireplace. Lots of conversations around the fireplace. Mosquitoes? Whatever , hey ... it's the interior of BC. Just get used to it. Thomas' wife was fantastic feeding so many people, it's a wonder everyone got fed. The food was just terrific especially for the numbers served. Thomas' technical knowledge proves again and again that he knows what he is talking about. At many times during our conversations, I rolled my eyes and realized that he was talking over my "M14 Tweaker" level of understanding. THAT's why he IS a gunsmith, and not me. He knows his shzt! I got to see and fondle his newly developed chinese black plastic stock. I will let him tell you about it. I'm impressed with what he has done with the innovative stocks. Enough said about his stocks. Just wait for the product! 
It's worth the suspense.
Rugerman for arranging super range facilities considering the heat and all the food/sandwiches he made and sorted out with our nice concession girls. Great job. The targetry worked really well. All the plans we discussed to have our rifles sighted in for 25/300 worked well. Then we switched to 100 and everything worked except for some of you M14 lovers with factory chinese sights.
Thomas' son for his patience on the filming job. I was trying to behave myself for the audience out there. Not sure if he has to edit my yelling!
The entire crew who attended for their props and kind words. Your gratitude will be paid forward to the Wounded Warriors Foundation. I appreciate all your kind gestures after our 2nd day working with the FOUR M14 magazines at close range. My head had a hard time getting into the "Black Toyota" after your compliments swelled the ego. And it also gave me a false sense of security, too.
Thanks to everyone for keeping it positive through the 38 degree Celsius temperatures when I pushed all of you out of your comfort zones, especially in the modified prone. Who wants to buy a muzzle brake now?
The endurance levels were very challenging in that heat and all of you hung in there for all the advanced shooting exercises. We we sure got through everything I wanted to show you regarding shooting with the M14 at close range.
I am somewhat sunbaked and I am looking forward to a week of relaxation on the coast with my wife (I'm in the doghouse right now ) and my son who studies at the University of Whistler, Earl's Campus.
Still many thanks go out the organizers and support staff because in the heat of the moment, we often lose sight of the objectives or what we want to accomplish and only now after 500 kilometers, I realize that we really did exceed ALL of them! Hats off to Thomas and crew! I KNOW we exceeded all expectations because your kind words at the end of the afternoon today, expressed it all! I am humbled by the wonderful people I met at the Forest Grove, BC gathering.
I can certainly say that many friendships were made and I am eternally grateful to all of you. Thanks for treating me so well, 3 time zones from my current (and temporary) home in Georgian Bay, ON.
Rest well everyone!
Cheers,
Barney
Many things to be thankful for:
Thomas put on great meals and I'm really worried that I gained weight. He facilitated a great gathering. Many , many laughs around the fireplace. Lots of conversations around the fireplace. Mosquitoes? Whatever , hey ... it's the interior of BC. Just get used to it. Thomas' wife was fantastic feeding so many people, it's a wonder everyone got fed. The food was just terrific especially for the numbers served. Thomas' technical knowledge proves again and again that he knows what he is talking about. At many times during our conversations, I rolled my eyes and realized that he was talking over my "M14 Tweaker" level of understanding. THAT's why he IS a gunsmith, and not me.
He knows his shzt! I got to see and fondle his newly developed chinese black plastic stock. I will let him tell you about it. I'm impressed with what he has done with the innovative stocks. Enough said about his stocks. Just wait for the product! It's worth the suspense.Rugerman for arranging super range facilities considering the heat and all the food/sandwiches he made and sorted out with our nice concession girls. Great job. The targetry worked really well. All the plans we discussed to have our rifles sighted in for 25/300 worked well. Then we switched to 100 and everything worked except for some of you M14 lovers with factory chinese sights.
Thomas' son for his patience on the filming job. I was trying to behave myself for the audience out there. Not sure if he has to edit my yelling!
The entire crew who attended for their props and kind words. Your gratitude will be paid forward to the Wounded Warriors Foundation.
I appreciate all your kind gestures after our 2nd day working with the FOUR M14 magazines at close range. My head had a hard time getting into the "Black Toyota" after your compliments swelled the ego. And it also gave me a false sense of security, too. Thanks to everyone for keeping it positive through the 38 degree Celsius temperatures when I pushed all of you out of your comfort zones, especially in the modified prone. Who wants to buy a muzzle brake now?
The endurance levels were very challenging in that heat and all of you hung in there for all the advanced shooting exercises. We we sure got through everything I wanted to show you regarding shooting with the M14 at close range.I am somewhat sunbaked and I am looking forward to a week of relaxation on the coast with my wife (I'm in the doghouse right now
) and my son who studies at the University of Whistler, Earl's Campus. Still many thanks go out the organizers and support staff because in the heat of the moment, we often lose sight of the objectives or what we want to accomplish and only now after 500 kilometers, I realize that we really did exceed ALL of them! Hats off to Thomas and crew! I KNOW we exceeded all expectations because your kind words at the end of the afternoon today, expressed it all! I am humbled by the wonderful people I met at the Forest Grove, BC gathering.
I can certainly say that many friendships were made and I am eternally grateful to all of you. Thanks for treating me so well, 3 time zones from my current (and temporary) home in Georgian Bay, ON.
Rest well everyone!
Cheers,
Barney
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
"my current (and temporary) home in Georgian Bay"
Now that's promising sounding! Gonna come join your Western friends?
Now that's promising sounding! Gonna come join your Western friends?
I'm homesick for the West and when I leave my current role as a Professional Edumakator, I will have completed 30 years service to Ontario society. I will be ready for a change.
I am awake and refreshed finally after 2 days of running range exercises at the Lone Butte GC. Doing laundry and yoga but not in that order. I still have much to be thankful for and those gratuities you guys kept throwing at me have been donated this morning:
Donation # C1745773
To: Woundedwarriors.ca
In memory of Captain Richard (Steve) Leary 2PPCLI KIA June 2008
He was the Pl Comd of my high school graduate/student who was with B Coy 5 Pl (IIRC). I have much (starts crying at the keyboard) to be thankful for! One never knows how our current relationships shape the future. My former student is now an expert marksman in the 2PPCLI org.
There, all of your good graces towards me have been paid forward to those who paid for our freedom. Thank you, Thomas (45ACPKing) for being the driving force behind this donation. Your kind efforts know no boundaries.
Humbly yours,
Barney
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100 Mile Clinic: Day 3 and 4
Well we're all a little sunburnt, tired, but I slept with a big grin on my face last night. These past four days will not soon be forgotten.
Day 3 was our first range day and we learned the secret to sight settings. It is all so simple when Hungry explains it! As has been mentioned, the Norinco sights are probably the weakpoint of that platform and we discovered that the sights don't always perform like they are supposed to. Now that we know, we can fix it!! (Replace them!)
Sighted in at 25 yds and then out to 100. Also learned a cool trick using the black target squares. 4 of them make a great target at 100; 6 squares at 200. For the sights that were working the results at 100 and 200 were very predictable. So simple when you know how they work!
Hungry emphasizes every aspect of your training including staying in shape. If you know him you know how important yoga is. Obviously it works for him. His two favorite positions seemed to be the Leaping Lawyer and the Bloated Barrister. Do I detect a theme here?
Would like to go back to Day 2 for a moment. Just to show you what kind of guys were there, Hungry showed us how to reverse the retainer on the gas system so you wouldn't have to shim it if it didn't lock up tight the first time. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. If you are an M14 gunsmith you probably have a bunch to choose from to get it shimless. Well, most guys don't have a bunch to work with. Spontaneously, the guys whose retainers didn't match up started trading them amongst each other until every single person had their gas system locked up- without shims!! That is where these clinics really shine! Everybody working together to perfect those M14's.
This is how they work, pay attention!
25 yd sight in
100 yd work
Day 4
Day 4 began with an emphasis on SAFETY! Day 4 ended on that note: SAFETY! Hungry cannot emphasize that enough. At times we had 6 safety guys covering all angles. It was made very clear to us when we could load magazines and when we would use empties. Things were stepping up a bit and as we discovered things can quickly go sideways when we are a little stressed, it's hot, and our equipment doesn't perform like it does when we are just shooting in more relaxed situations. We quickly learned to identify problem mags and set them aside. We also learned that the hotter it got, the more prone mags were to fail. The CF guys that were there, quickly pointed out tricks they had learned to keep your equipment working. Thanks, Shawn!! As an aside, Hungry wants some of us to carry on with Service Rifle type events in the future and asked me (and later Popcan) to use AR's as that is what most guys in this neck of the woods would have. We quickly discovered that Pmags, for so many reasons, are the only way to go. No failures with them-none. I digress.
We learned the Israeli way to do mag changes with the M-14. It is so slick, and so efficient. No wasted motions.
The modified prone position was a bit challenging but we learned to do it and found, when properly executed, was very effective. We also learned which muzzle brakes can dig the deepest hole from this position. Interesting.
Hungry is an excellent instructor. All activities start out simply, usually with empty mags, and we do the drill until it's second nature. Then when he is satisfied, he steps it up. Loved the drill with the Loonie in a M-14 mag. Slick! He is a very observant instructor and was quick to point out to many of us that we had to get rid of our purses to make our mag changes faster. I have known Popcan for some time now. Who knew he carried a purse! (I gave my two girls running the concession earmuffs. Not so much for the gunfire, they were quite a ways away. It was more for Hungry's colorful instructions.)
Hungry would get us working at a fever pitch, handling stress, heat, mental screwups, gun failures, etc. And then it was time to hydrate, decompress, and debrief. He kept us out of the sun but was out there the whole time himself in 30-35 degree heat- no shade!
And then it was all over. There were a lot of heartfelt goodbyes as, in a very short time, some enduring bonds were made. Thomas and Hungry this was a very special event which will not soon be forgotten. Thanks! And Shawn, you keep those Air Force guys in line, right? Alex thanks for all those steel targets you gave us and the swinger set ups. Very generous guy. BC308, remember: group size is dependent on your situation . You won't get them all touching in the modified prone position with Hungry screaming at you! Tony and Anthony thanks for your tig work and you guys are great to shoot with. Jim and Erik, we are going to make it to some of your steel shoots in Mission. Jim, I liked your thoughts on competitive shooting and the need for more fun type shoots. Twisted Zealot, keep working on your reloading. Thanks for all your funny stories. James, I hope you get that job in Alberta. Good luck on your interview. You were a great safety guy and thanks for covering me. Dave: "Get out of Judy's shower!!" Warren- for God's sake, ditch that purse!! Thanks for lending me those mags. Machman, I love your M14. Dan, it was good to see you again at another M14 clinic. Bring one of your horses next time- we'll go for a ride, eh? Darren, good move to here from Ottawa. Their loss our gain. Hope to shoot with you again. I would definitely not go on your lawn!
It was some hot!!
Mag changes
Doing what he loves! His energy and enthusiasm is endless!
You WILL get off my lawn!
Modified Prone
Muzzle Blast
Some of the muzzle blast holes from the modified prone. Pretty deep!
When Hungry says, "Move", you move!
Hydrate and debrief
Just the greatest bunch of guys!
Well we're all a little sunburnt, tired, but I slept with a big grin on my face last night. These past four days will not soon be forgotten.
Day 3 was our first range day and we learned the secret to sight settings. It is all so simple when Hungry explains it! As has been mentioned, the Norinco sights are probably the weakpoint of that platform and we discovered that the sights don't always perform like they are supposed to. Now that we know, we can fix it!! (Replace them!)
Sighted in at 25 yds and then out to 100. Also learned a cool trick using the black target squares. 4 of them make a great target at 100; 6 squares at 200. For the sights that were working the results at 100 and 200 were very predictable. So simple when you know how they work!
Hungry emphasizes every aspect of your training including staying in shape. If you know him you know how important yoga is. Obviously it works for him. His two favorite positions seemed to be the Leaping Lawyer and the Bloated Barrister. Do I detect a theme here?
Would like to go back to Day 2 for a moment. Just to show you what kind of guys were there, Hungry showed us how to reverse the retainer on the gas system so you wouldn't have to shim it if it didn't lock up tight the first time. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. If you are an M14 gunsmith you probably have a bunch to choose from to get it shimless. Well, most guys don't have a bunch to work with. Spontaneously, the guys whose retainers didn't match up started trading them amongst each other until every single person had their gas system locked up- without shims!! That is where these clinics really shine! Everybody working together to perfect those M14's.
This is how they work, pay attention!
25 yd sight in
100 yd work
Day 4
Day 4 began with an emphasis on SAFETY! Day 4 ended on that note: SAFETY! Hungry cannot emphasize that enough. At times we had 6 safety guys covering all angles. It was made very clear to us when we could load magazines and when we would use empties. Things were stepping up a bit and as we discovered things can quickly go sideways when we are a little stressed, it's hot, and our equipment doesn't perform like it does when we are just shooting in more relaxed situations. We quickly learned to identify problem mags and set them aside. We also learned that the hotter it got, the more prone mags were to fail. The CF guys that were there, quickly pointed out tricks they had learned to keep your equipment working. Thanks, Shawn!! As an aside, Hungry wants some of us to carry on with Service Rifle type events in the future and asked me (and later Popcan) to use AR's as that is what most guys in this neck of the woods would have. We quickly discovered that Pmags, for so many reasons, are the only way to go. No failures with them-none. I digress.
We learned the Israeli way to do mag changes with the M-14. It is so slick, and so efficient. No wasted motions.
The modified prone position was a bit challenging but we learned to do it and found, when properly executed, was very effective. We also learned which muzzle brakes can dig the deepest hole from this position. Interesting.
Hungry is an excellent instructor. All activities start out simply, usually with empty mags, and we do the drill until it's second nature. Then when he is satisfied, he steps it up. Loved the drill with the Loonie in a M-14 mag. Slick! He is a very observant instructor and was quick to point out to many of us that we had to get rid of our purses to make our mag changes faster. I have known Popcan for some time now. Who knew he carried a purse! (I gave my two girls running the concession earmuffs. Not so much for the gunfire, they were quite a ways away. It was more for Hungry's colorful instructions.)
Hungry would get us working at a fever pitch, handling stress, heat, mental screwups, gun failures, etc. And then it was time to hydrate, decompress, and debrief. He kept us out of the sun but was out there the whole time himself in 30-35 degree heat- no shade!
And then it was all over. There were a lot of heartfelt goodbyes as, in a very short time, some enduring bonds were made. Thomas and Hungry this was a very special event which will not soon be forgotten. Thanks! And Shawn, you keep those Air Force guys in line, right? Alex thanks for all those steel targets you gave us and the swinger set ups. Very generous guy. BC308, remember: group size is dependent on your situation . You won't get them all touching in the modified prone position with Hungry screaming at you! Tony and Anthony thanks for your tig work and you guys are great to shoot with. Jim and Erik, we are going to make it to some of your steel shoots in Mission. Jim, I liked your thoughts on competitive shooting and the need for more fun type shoots. Twisted Zealot, keep working on your reloading. Thanks for all your funny stories. James, I hope you get that job in Alberta. Good luck on your interview. You were a great safety guy and thanks for covering me. Dave: "Get out of Judy's shower!!" Warren- for God's sake, ditch that purse!! Thanks for lending me those mags. Machman, I love your M14. Dan, it was good to see you again at another M14 clinic. Bring one of your horses next time- we'll go for a ride, eh? Darren, good move to here from Ottawa. Their loss our gain. Hope to shoot with you again. I would definitely not go on your lawn!
It was some hot!!
Mag changes
Doing what he loves! His energy and enthusiasm is endless!
You WILL get off my lawn!
Modified Prone
Muzzle Blast
Some of the muzzle blast holes from the modified prone. Pretty deep!
When Hungry says, "Move", you move!
Hydrate and debrief
Just the greatest bunch of guys!
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BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
I'm homesick for the West and when I leave my current role as a Professional Edumakator, I will have completed 30 years service to Ontario society. I will be ready for a change.
You come back home to Momma. That Ontario is the devil!
Looking forward to getting you back out West.
I'm curious what the temps were ... you guys got on some gear that would melt this eskimo ...
Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
30 degrees the first day, between 30-35 degrees second day but at least there was a bit of a breeze on the second day. It certainly gave us pause to think how our CF guys do this in 40-50 degree heat with a lot more gear. Don't know how they do it and still function.
- Location
- Sudbury, On
What a bunch of jerks!
No kidding. They didn't save us any of that 'slaw or salmon.
Oh hey guys, the kids from the forest grove elementary school will be stopping by to pickup all the cans and bottles we collected, and I've donated 200.00 of the clinic fees collected to the Royal Canadian Legion, Forest Grove , for the use of the 5 tables and 40 chairs we borrowed for the event
