M-96 vs SL8

Yes the AK system is remarkably reliable but from all indications it proves it abilty is not in the accuracy dept and is not adept at providing better than minute of man accuracy at 300m simply has to with the construction and design
 
The Sig550/PE90 is an refined AK47 type action... works good but still not as accurate as an AR though that could be due to the fact that there is all sorts of knowledge and parts to tune an AR where as the Sig stay mostly box stock.
 
greentips said:
It is no secret now G36 melts around its barrel trunion after certain amount of sustained fire.
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Here we go:
It should be noted, however, that during testing of the G36 at the U.S. Army's desert test facility at Yuma, Ariz., there was not a single stoppage in more than 24,000 rounds fired under incredibly harsh conditions. The test protocol consisted of firing 240 rounds on uninterrupted (except to change magazines) full automatic, submerging the G36 into a barrel of water until it quit boiling, removing the rifle, shaking it free of water, then repeating the process. The test rifle was cleaned at the end of each day after firing 6,000 to 8,000 rounds.
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Any gun fired outside of its design parameters will fail. An AK may catch fire (wood foregrip). An AR may have the gas tube retaining pin get loose and shear or spit out, or the tube itself can get hot enough to rupture. And so on. Oh, and the G36 can melt.

Please show us authoritative test results from the major weapons types that demonstrate the G36 to be significantly inferior from a reliability standpoint.

As far as an SL8, getting it to melt with 5-round mags, semi-only and a working man's ammo budget strikes me as verging on the impossible. Never heard of it.
 
Brian,

Sorry, but your credibility is suffering based on your G3/G36 "lineage comments". Along with your understanding of the M96's construction and design. The low-heat/low-stress receiver components are fabricated from stainless steel. The barrel, barrel extension and bolt (eg. the locking components) are all fabricated from carbon steel....

I'll be back after Xmas, but I really don't see this discussion going anywhere. I am quite happy to share my hard-earned knowledge with others concerning military firearms designs and their lineage. I've been living the subject and studying it for the better part of 30 years. What I really can't fathom is people who insist upon arguing without a leg to stand on, after clearly demonstrating that they still have an awful lot to learn...

Notwithstanding any of the above, I wish everyone viewing here a Very Merry Christmas!

Cheers,

Mark C
 
Bartok5 said:
The low-heat/low-stress receiver components are fabricated from stainless steel. The barrel, barrel extension and bolt (eg. the locking components) are all fabricated from carbon steel....
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Oh Jeez, can't believe I never "informed" Brian46 of this yet... Now that I read back through the "you have a firearm with a stainless barrel" comment I'm feeling like an ass for not jumping on this one sooner. :p :( Too busy arguing metal characteristics... :rolleyes:

Merry Christmas to all, talk to you Boxing day. :)
 
I'm back, reviewing old threads after a 2-week holiday hiatus. Forgive me for resurrecting a dead thread, but I couldn't resist....

Ardent said:
Oh Jeez, can't believe I never "informed" Brian46 of this yet... Now that I read back through the "you have a firearm with a stainless barrel" comment I'm feeling like an ass for not jumping on this one sooner. :p :( Too busy arguing metal characteristics... :rolleyes:
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Ardent,

Don't feel bad - it was a "forest versus trees" argument from the very beginning. You just got lost in the trees.... :)

FWIW, I view performance as the bottom line. Even before the 12(x) ban, my M96 went to the range with every time. Not by necessity, but by personal choice. I really like the package for all of the reasons stated in this and other threads. It is not because I am particularly obtuse that my two AR15s, Galil, AUG, etc, all tended to collect dust in my gun-safe whereas my M96 consistently went to the range along with my Swissarms Classic Green....

But there will always be dissenters, and that's just fine. To each their own. I see no need to defend my personal preferences. I've owned or fired just about every 5.56mm rifle on the civilian and military markets during the past 25 years, and the M96 suits me just fine. I'm quite looking forward to the Robarm XCR once it starts shipping - provided that the initial reviews indicate a lack of issues.

FWIW.
 
Savage said:
Yes the AK system is remarkably reliable but from all indications it proves it abilty is not in the accuracy dept and is not adept at providing better than minute of man accuracy at 300m simply has to with the construction and design
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New AK's when compared to lets say an M4, both in the same caliber (5.56) preform nearly the same in the accuracy. The problem is inherent to the quality of X39 ammunition being much less consitant then that of 5.56. Also russian test even proved that 5.56 is more inherently accurate a caliber then 5.45 and 7.62X39. Even the best Sako AK using Lapua ammo produces 1 MOA accuracy from a finnish fellow who frequents a few boards.

HeadDamage said:
The Sig550/PE90 is an refined AK47 type action... works good but still not as accurate as an AR though that could be due to the fact that there is all sorts of knowledge and parts to tune an AR where as the Sig stay mostly box stock.
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You are comparing an exact rifle to a kind of rifle and saying the "kind" is more accurate. Sorry but which rifle which brand what when where how why? :confused:
 
HeadDamage said:
The Sig550/PE90 is an refined AK47 type action... works good but still not as accurate as an AR though that could be due to the fact that there is all sorts of knowledge and parts to tune an AR where as the Sig stay mostly box stock.
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I beg to differ. I shot the PE90 and the G36. Compared with my Colt AR-15 I I did not see a difference at 100m. You must be confusing with the M96.
 
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