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The owner is literally laughing at us.
The mouse continues to lie and now mocking us and accusing a dealer for taking THEIR money. Wth did I miss?
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The mouse continues to lie and now mocking us and accusing a dealer for taking THEIR money. Wth did I miss?
He can laugh and mock and laugh all he wants but at the end of the day. I can afford to buy his gun but won't. I'm seriously looking at that BCL 102.
I don't buy off arrogant A holes and the product is overpriced for what it is. The fanboys and shills can chime in but at the end of the day. I'm not the one who got ripped. If 12 MOA turns out to be true. I'll just laugh.
I don't buy off arrogant A holes and the product is overpriced for what it is. The fanboys and shills can chime in but at the end of the day. I'm not the one who got ripped. If 12 MOA turns out to be true. I'll just laugh.
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The owner is literally laughing at us.
He has a point. Its been covered before but that IS what Wanstalls did.
The DMR stuff is laughable though.
I just want the rifle #### all the drama and whining......really isn’t there enough things going on in our Canadian gun culture that needs our attention more than this #### show. If it bothers you that much don’t buy it but to me the constant threat from the antis like Wendy and others is what we should be focusing on.
No he doesn't have a point...it was a pre-order, at a normal USD conversion price point, that there is no doubt was agreed to by M&M and Wanstalls prior to advertising.
SFRC/Tenda and a few others are taking pre-orders for these and don't have them, are they a laughing stock too?
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He seems to be intimating that there was no agreement set yet("took our {your}money for something they didnt have access to yet) . So it's just a game of he said-he said at that point. Mehhh
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I'm very late to this party, but in response to some posts on page 1, maybe if enough interest was shown to Rob Arms they may produce a batch of XCR lowers/rifles that accept AK mags. That would be huge, no M+M needed for this guy. This is taken from their FAQ page on their site. If it has been posted in the following 8 pages, please forgive me, I'm trying to catch up.
Chargerguy
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lol, dreaming, I know.
You keep saying that, but where if your proof? Wantsalls and Canada Ammo both say otherwise and both have NOTHING good to say about M&M and their business scruples. Maybe it's a great rifle, but their entry to the Canadian market has been lackluster, wrought with PR gaffes.
Yes. After the T81 fiasco, I think pre-orders should be banned in the Canadian firearms industry.
I've been on RobArm and Wolverines butt over this... 7 months waiting for what's suppose to be standard stuff ...
That is never going to happen, but I do like rock and lock, just not for an XCR.
Im not rehashing everything thats already been discussed. I've spoken pers9nally with all parties involved and made the conclusion that Wanstalls set the pricing themselves without getting the figure on the Canadian model from M+M (dont forget a year ago Canada ammo said M+M told them 2k to 2400 for pricing). They did so using previosu U.S. pricing on the non-Canadian model. You can rrad the other locked threads where I layed it all out.
M+M is on the hook for the rediculous marketing and for slapping on a nr tax (as does all other similar rifles), but the presale was not on them.
My last comment on that topic.
I cant wait to try mine when it gets here!
Just so there isn't any miscommunications and misunderstandings, this is basically what Wanstalls and Canada Ammo have stated publicly.
Not sure how speaking directly and confirming with M+M President now means they made up pricing themselves.
WANSTALLS
Just to clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.
We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.
We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.
-Craig Jones
Quote Originally Posted by WanstallsOnline View Post
After speaking to Mike Meir (the President of M+M) at SHOT for several years,the answer was always "nothing yet" when asked of the rifle's status. In 2017 M+M told us that a bunch of years back a company called Disco "something" had submitted a sample for FRT and had not been heard from since. We were then led to believe that Canada Ammo had at one time expressed interest in the gun but had since washed their hands of it. We were asked to assist M+M in several ways to help get their gun a non restricted FRT. In return for our assistance we were promised distributor level pricing. We fulfilled our end of the deal...
At the time of the pre-sale, Mike stated there would be no distribution channels, but rather distribution level pricing to be offered to individual Canadian dealers. No exclusivity would be offered and that Canada Ammo, Wanstalls, and for that matter, any Canadian gun store could bring the gun to the Canadian market at the lowest possible price.
Currently we know nothing other than what M+M posts on their Facebook page. In light of this, we will be getting in touch those who have deposits on the pre-order to discuss their options.
This has been an extremely frustrating experience for us as we are accustomed to conducting business in a straight forward and ethical way. You, our customers have our most sincere apologies for our poor choice in partnership with M+M.
Sincerely,
The Wanstalls team
Canada Ammo
Quote Originally Posted by CanAm View Post
I wasn't going to comment until I spoke with M+M, but there is a lot of speculation.
When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct.
M+M is a small company which seems to be pulled in several directions, and changes its mind on a whim. So be it.
Obviously, things have changed, this is business. I will know more this week.
Not sure how speaking directly and confirming with M+M President now means they made up pricing themselves.
WANSTALLS
Just to clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.
We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.
We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.
-Craig Jones
Quote Originally Posted by WanstallsOnline View Post
After speaking to Mike Meir (the President of M+M) at SHOT for several years,the answer was always "nothing yet" when asked of the rifle's status. In 2017 M+M told us that a bunch of years back a company called Disco "something" had submitted a sample for FRT and had not been heard from since. We were then led to believe that Canada Ammo had at one time expressed interest in the gun but had since washed their hands of it. We were asked to assist M+M in several ways to help get their gun a non restricted FRT. In return for our assistance we were promised distributor level pricing. We fulfilled our end of the deal...
At the time of the pre-sale, Mike stated there would be no distribution channels, but rather distribution level pricing to be offered to individual Canadian dealers. No exclusivity would be offered and that Canada Ammo, Wanstalls, and for that matter, any Canadian gun store could bring the gun to the Canadian market at the lowest possible price.
Currently we know nothing other than what M+M posts on their Facebook page. In light of this, we will be getting in touch those who have deposits on the pre-order to discuss their options.
This has been an extremely frustrating experience for us as we are accustomed to conducting business in a straight forward and ethical way. You, our customers have our most sincere apologies for our poor choice in partnership with M+M.
Sincerely,
The Wanstalls team
Canada Ammo
Quote Originally Posted by CanAm View Post
I wasn't going to comment until I spoke with M+M, but there is a lot of speculation.
When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct.
M+M is a small company which seems to be pulled in several directions, and changes its mind on a whim. So be it.
Obviously, things have changed, this is business. I will know more this week.
So true
Indeed
