M+M CEO Considered Pulling M10X Rifle From Canada After Brouhaha - CDN Gun Blog

Orrrrr...

We can wait and see what theyre like when they get here? Its so tiring seeing the same people #### on this with the samr b.s.

Lets wait and see what its like.
 
Bartok5 said:
I hope they get to build my rifle before they go bankrupt! In all seriousness, you're not gonna get your wish regardless. Pre-sales are apparently moving along very well, with at least one vendor (Tenda) sold out and another that had to increase its number of pre-sale units (SFRC) to meet demand. Not all Canadian gun owners are on CGN, and even of the folks here, most could care less about all of the M+M drama and the butt-hurt perception that our consumer noses have somehow been rubbed in the "NR Tax". You M+M haters are just doing yourselves a disservice by discounting a promising new NR firearm with excellent reviews. Thankfully, there aren't that many of you, and certainly not enough that anyone will notice or suffer as a result of your personal protest/boycott. I predict lonely days ahead for you once the positive Canadian user reviews start to flow and sales go mainstream.....
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The butthurt is in regards to the presale anyways. People misplaced their butthurt on M+M rather than letting the responsibility to deliver lie with the retailer who offered the presale
 
VinnyQC said:
So I'm not saying sales will be in the gutter because of MM's shenanigans, I'm saying sales will most probably be unimpressive because of the quality/price ratio, and even in Canada where prices are higher and common AR10/AR15 are restricted, it's not the best in any category. As a range toy, it doesn't compete with a 2000$ AR15. As an x39 range toy, it matches an x39 AR15 but cost 1.5-2x the price. As a hunting or precision rifle, it doesn't match a 2000$ rifle in 308. So the only peeps left to buy one are fanboys (which in this case I use non-pejoratively).
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Xcr has sold well in canada in the same caliber and at a much higher price
 
B34R said:
If this thread gets locked, it will just be even more proof of the heavy sanitization happening here on paid subscribers' behalves that the author writes about in his article lol.
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Pretty much every internet forum out there now is a corrupt sales platform, if your assumptions are true, it's not surprising this one would be any different.
 
VinnyQC said:
I think you're very optimistic. I never buy into pre-orders, no matter what the product is, because I think it is foolish to buy something neither you nor anyone in the country has puttheir hands on. I've seen enough people get burned on pre-orders for cars, video games or firearms (the latest being the T81) to avoid them like the plague. But in this case, I don't think this rifle is worth 2000$. The discrepancy between the canadian price and the US price (converted to CAD) is enough to point to a bad quality/price ratio at 2000$. Granted, I'm not the biggest fan of x39 to begin with, but I like the look of the m10x, so I'd be inclined to at least look at it. But the truth is, even in our price-inflated gun market, 2000$ buys you a lot.

If you make a list of what you can buy for 2000$, and compare these rifles with the m10x, then you see the m10x has to perform better than even advertised. To begin with, you could get a US-imported restricted m10x for less (which, let's be honest here, is the same rifle with a barrel 3'' shorter, dmr safety be damned) and a nice optic.

Then there's the fact that x39 main selling point is the cheap surplus ammos. Those ammos are not exactly known to be very accurate, no matter which gun you shoot them with. So even if the m10x is a tack driver (which it isn't even advertised as), shooting surplus x39 with it will be futile, it'll still turn out to a 3-4 MOA shot. Shooting more expensive x39 might yeild better result, but never anything as good as a good old 308.

So I'm not saying sales will be in the gutter because of MM's shenanigans, I'm saying sales will most probably be unimpressive because of the quality/price ratio, and even in Canada where prices are higher and common AR10/AR15 are restricted, it's not the best in any category. As a range toy, it doesn't compete with a 2000$ AR15. As an x39 range toy, it matches an x39 AR15 but cost 1.5-2x the price. As a hunting or precision rifle, it doesn't match a 2000$ rifle in 308. So the only peeps left to buy one are fanboys (which in this case I use non-pejoratively).

At best, I see a success comparable to the tavor or the Kriss vector. All 3 (Tavor, Kriss, m10x) are rifles that I'd like to own, but the price at which they sell for just isn't worth it, because I can shoot an AR15 at the range and hunt with real hunting rifle for less.

Just my 2¢
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Candocad said:
The wisest 2 cents worth of comment on this thread.

Candocad
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Yup minus the "real" hunting rifle. I have a lot of buddies who hunt with tavors/xcrl/xcrm ect... Not to mention all the SKS's at deer camp wielded by gentlemen all over 40....

I would trust my tavor over the 500 dollar savage any day.
 
Got one on order with my local dealer and looking forward to it. The M10x is something different to look at, other than ugly XCRs, ACRs and Tavors, which are more money last time I checked. Yet I simply resist the urge to buy them and move on with my life (hard right?). One thing is for sure, we always find the the same armchair trolls asserting their (self-proclaimed) authority in the international arms trade, forecasting consumer demand and fueling smart debates (e.g. boycott, discord, name calling). On top of being accomplished engineers, who can predict performance down to an inch without even sampling the goods, these members find time to post in virtually every thread, multiple times per hour. Impressive no? This is who stand out in front of potential business members and manufacturers looking to penetrate the Canadian market.
 
hardballer said:
Got one on order with my local dealer and looking forward to it. The M10x is something different to look at, other than ugly XCRs, ACRs and Tavors, which are more money last time I checked. Yet I simply resist the urge to buy them and move on with my life (hard right?). One thing is for sure, we always find the the same armchair trolls asserting their (self-proclaimed) authority in the international arms trade, forecasting consumer demand and fueling smart debates (e.g. boycott, discord, name calling). On top of being accomplished engineers, who can predict performance down to an inch without even sampling the goods, these members find time to post in virtually every thread, multiple times per hour. Impressive no? This is who stand out in front of potential business members and manufacturers looking to penetrate the Canadian market.
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Amen.
 
hardballer said:
Got one on order with my local dealer and looking forward to it. The M10x is something different to look at, other than ugly XCRs, ACRs and Tavors, which are more money last time I checked. Yet I simply resist the urge to buy them and move on with my life (hard right?). One thing is for sure, we always find the the same armchair trolls asserting their (self-proclaimed) authority in the international arms trade, forecasting consumer demand and fueling smart debates (e.g. boycott, discord, name calling). On top of being accomplished engineers, who can predict performance down to an inch without even sampling the goods, these members find time to post in virtually every thread, multiple times per hour. Impressive no? This is who stand out in front of potential business members and manufacturers looking to penetrate the Canadian market.
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Nice to see claybuster is back.
 
DILLIGAF said:
3K is cheap, want something cheaper get a Noricrap or an SKS in a crapco stock.
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What are you smoking??? $3k would be indefensible in the USA for a standard black blaster. Decent AR' sell well under $1000 in the USA.

Here in Canada, $3k is a conscious decision by importers to increase margins over low volumes, as it requires less overhead than lower prices and much higher volume with less profit.

I understand the scheme, but $3k is not cheap. You can almost buy an ATV for that, while your $3k blaster likely cost under $800 to manufacture, including the manufacturer's profit before distribution takes over. Think about it.
 
Hitzy said:
Some price pimps and toolbags will buy it because it's "new" but sales at $2000 will be 1/10th of what they would have been at $1500.
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I suspect that to be true, but if so, we will know it within a year if market introduction and pricing will correct. Remember TI selling the SG542 for $3400 at launch? Several dealers now carry it at $2100 and they are still not selling quickly.

This gun is not a better rifle than an sg542, and if they don't sell quickly enough, NS will lower dealer pricing accordingly. We know there is lots of margin at $2100 if us pricing is anything to compare to.

If anyone finds $2100 unpalatable, just hold fire and see if the price drops. If it doesn't, and they sell well, then they are worth $2100. It's just that simple.
 
Got one on order with my local dealer and looking forward to it. The M10x is something different to look at, other than ugly XCRs, ACRs and Tavors, which are more money last time I checked. Yet I simply resist the urge to buy them and move on with my life (hard right?). One thing is for sure, we always find the the same armchair trolls asserting their (self-proclaimed) authority in the international arms trade, forecasting consumer demand and fueling smart debates (e.g. boycott, discord, name calling). On top of being accomplished engineers, who can predict performance down to an inch without even sampling the goods, these members find time to post in virtually every thread, multiple times per hour. Impressive no? This is who stand out in front of potential business members and manufacturers looking to penetrate the Canadian market.
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I agree, I dont post on this section of the board much but every time I check I'm amazed at all the whining and prolonged butthurt that keep on going here.
 
I was looking at the description everything on this overpriced unit is listed as DMR =Designated Marksman Rifle

DMR match grade safety selector switch. seriously is that a joke?

CEO was thinking of pulling it but hardley anybody in the states wants to buy because they can buy real AK's cheaper ,what an empty DMR threat
 
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I agree, I dont post on this section of the board much but every time I check I'm amazed at all the whining and prolonged butthurt that keep on going here.
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