M+M "features" wtf?

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Ok just saw the north sylva thread, and it lists these features:

- 18.6″ DMR Barrel, featuring our advanced nitride and stress relief formula for
increased durability, longevity and accuracy.
- Magpul Zhukov-S side folding stock
- Patented MRL (magazine release lever) Kit for higher compatibility with AK type
magazines. (Also available as an individual kit)
- 5 rd Magazine for Canadian Market/ 30 rd Magazine for the US Market.
- DMR free-flow gas tube design, for increased airflow and reduced harmonics.
- DMR Lightweight Gas Block.
- Mil-Spec Type III Corrosion resistant nitride components.
- Magpul M-LOK compatible accessory slots.
- DMR match grade safety selector switch.
- DMR match grade trigger system.
- RS-TK ambidextrous charging handle.


DMR this, DMR that... Im assuming that's all just marketing fluff?...

Wtf is a match grade safety selector!?

Last, and the one that really made me start this thread, the MLR kit. Isn't this gun supposed to use AK mags? Then why the hell do we need a special release to increase compatibility!? Shouldn't that be a standard part of the gun, not something extra!?
 
Suther said:
Ok just saw the north sylva thread, and it lists these features:

- 18.6″ DMR Barrel, featuring our advanced nitride and stress relief formula for
increased durability, longevity and accuracy.
- Magpul Zhukov-S side folding stock
- Patented MRL (magazine release lever) Kit for higher compatibility with AK type
magazines. (Also available as an individual kit)
- 5 rd Magazine for Canadian Market/ 30 rd Magazine for the US Market.
- DMR free-flow gas tube design, for increased airflow and reduced harmonics.
- DMR Lightweight Gas Block.
- Mil-Spec Type III Corrosion resistant nitride components.
- Magpul M-LOK compatible accessory slots.
- DMR match grade safety selector switch.
- DMR match grade trigger system.
- RS-TK ambidextrous charging handle.


DMR this, DMR that... Im assuming that's all just marketing fluff?...

Wtf is a match grade safety selector!?

Last, and the one that really made me start this thread, the MLR kit. Isn't this gun supposed to use AK mags? Then why the hell do we need a special release to increase compatibility!? Shouldn't that be a standard part of the gun, not something extra!?
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Their MLR is their differentiator, it reduces magazine wobble inherent in the AK design, they say...
 
LOL, it took them two weeks to come up with this bs. basically the same rifle as before with a 30% price hike. mm and ns have no shame.

No iron sights, non chromed barrel in order to further increase profit margin. No way we can run corrosive thru this junk.

I bet it comes with a state of arts dmr tactical plastic bag to protect it from rough transportation environment. we need to figure out what dmr stands for.
 
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"DMR free-flow gas tube design, for increased airflow and reduced harmonics."
"DMR match grade safety selector switch."

I'd call this "fluff" and gobbledygook, and maybe even techno-speak, to try and justify jacking up the price for an extra 2" of barrel. I've been around guns and this forum for a while and I've never heard of a "free-flow gas tube design" What the heck does that even mean?
 
The main feature is your A-hole gets sore from NS boning you with their $CDN "I can so I will" tax.
 
DMR stands for designated marksman rifle. Often used to refer to long barreled AR's designed for optimal accuracy and weighing more (they'll have heavier, multi way adjustable stocks for instance) Look up the standard ACR vs the DMR ACR to get an idea of what I mean.

How any of that relates to this, other than the longer barrel I dunno.

Also, it's not chrome lined?! Usually that doesn't matter to me, but for a 7.62x39 it sure does!
 
Jonesyatpl said:
Just save your shekels till they reach a price you like.
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I won't be buying this gun unless it drops to like $1000, and even then I'd be hard pressed to get this and support such a shady company vs getting a t81 or shelling out the cash for a vz58. Likely I'll just stick with my sks for 7.62x39 blasting... I can get a mag conversion and actually run 10rd mags in the sks, and it would be almost 1/4 the price of this thing...
 
Exactly.

(Not aimed at you specifically)

So instead of starting a petition, or trying to comment on here and Facebook...

Just don’t buy the thing, till they either drop the unpopular business partner , fix the price, or improve the product.

Let them sweat it out and explain to investors why Canadian sales are 1% of what they planned.
 
Jonesyatpl said:
Exactly.

(Not aimed at you specifically)

So instead of starting a petition, or trying to comment on here and Facebook...

Just don’t buy the thing, till they either drop the unpopular business partner , fix the price, or improve the product.

Let them sweat it out and explain to investors why Canadian sales are 1% of what they planned.
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To be clear, I didn't start this thread to ##### about the prices. There are plenty of those going already. I specifically wanted to draw attention to the questionable "features" being advertised.

Specifically why does a gun that is supposed to be an updated, modernized AK need a special mag release to "increase compatibility with AK mags"?....
 
mikethebike said:
Their MLR is their differentiator, it reduces magazine wobble inherent in the AK design, they say...
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Funny how that is, I use SKS-D models a lot, I have a number of them and they are my go to for reliability and sheer ability, they use "wobbly" AK47 mags, and yet I have never had a mag problem with them ever, insert and fire, and I can do it all day non stop and they just keep going, so who needs to drop $2K into NS and there little scam, and please note, I do have a number of friends that work for NS and I still wont do business with them, CA, IRG, Kelly's and even BullsEye are all better options, heck even Grumpy is a gentleman compared to NS, PS: Grumpy I do buy a whole lot of product from you so don't tail spin on me, but NS, nah been there done that and definitely did not like the rear-end experience they gave me.
 
Suther said:
DMR stands for designated marksman rifle. Often used to refer to long barreled AR's designed for optimal accuracy and weighing more (they'll have heavier, multi way adjustable stocks for instance) Look up the standard ACR vs the DMR ACR to get an idea of what I mean.

How any of that relates to this, other than the longer barrel I dunno.

Also, it's not chrome lined?! Usually that doesn't matter to me, but for a 7.62x39 it sure does!
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Oh, I know what DMR means. Heck I'm old enough to remember when the US pulled their M-14's out of mothballs, threw them in a Sage stock, and pretty much coined the phrase DMR. What confuses me is how any of the supposed aspects of a DMR apply to a gas tube design or a safety selector. Sounds like a truckload of BS to me
 
Makava said:
Funny how that is, I use SKS-D models a lot, I have a number of them and they are my go to for reliability and sheer ability, they use "wobbly" AK47 mags, and yet I have never had a mag problem with them ever, insert and fire, and I can do it all day non stop and they just keep going, so who needs to drop $2K into NS and there little scam, and please note, I do have a number of friends that work for NS and I still wont do business with them, CA, IRG, Kelly's and even BullsEye are all better options, heck even Grumpy is a gentleman compared to NS, PS: Grumpy I do buy a whole lot of product from you so don't tail spin on me, but NS, nah been there done that and definitely did not like the rear-end experience they gave me.
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NS is a distributor. They supply a lot of guns to a lot of dealers, and as far as I know they don't sell direct to the public. It's entirely possible (even likely) that all 3 retailers you list get product from NS.
 
Suther said:
NS is a distributor. They supply a lot of guns to a lot of dealers, and as far as I know they don't sell direct to the public. It's entirely possible (even likely) that all 3 retailers you list get product from NS.
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All the dealers I have listed direct import product themselves, sadly I have experienced NS from the past on warranty issues, as well as as I mentioned, I have a couple of friends that work there, and though it may be unavoidable for every single item that passes through me, I would avoid any dealings with them or any product distributed by them as far as I possibly can.
 
KePet said:
What confuses me is how any of the supposed aspects of a DMR apply to a gas tube design or a safety selector.
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Most likely, this is M+M owner's idea of mocking Canadians with "DMR" brand of humour.

There is an attitude i get a lot from my American friends towards Canadians. It is mostly friendly ribbing about "igloos" and "aboot" and CFL etc. Basically if all the jokes for the evening were said, it is time for "Canadian" jokes. They are not even close to nasty jokes about Mexicans, BTW.
 
If this "lightweight gasblock" is aluminum instead of steel, these guns will be useless... won't stand up to the heat/pressure.
 
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