I was told the same thing by Tenda when I called earlier this week - that not all of their order had been filled and that some pre-orders could not be filled until a second shipment of M10Xs arrives in Canada (ETA unknown, but "not too long"). Fortunately for me, my pre-order was placed in early November and my rifle is currently in transit with Canpar. Not all pre-orders will be so fortunate, but I have no idea where the cut-off line would be. I'm guessing that if you did not receive a call to settle up your account, the writing is obviously on the wall. Aside from that, it is "watch and shoot" on the arrival of M10X pre-orders....
M+M Industries M10x DMR - Non-Restricted 18.6” in 7.62x39mm Canada
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Shorerider
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- British Columbia
This is what I was told by the company I have a pre order with. I was late to the game getting in on it so hopefully I see the rifle this fall sometime. It sucks that there are retailers who obviously didn’t do a pre order and now have rifles they can sell and I’ve got money down already and have to wait. I’ve passed on getting a BCL 102 a couple times cause I thought this would be here soon.
Shorerider
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I’ve been told not too long or any day now every month since March.
I ordered mine back in October, paid in full and who I ordered it from are saying they are getting their order next week. I think I was one of the first to pre-order with them so hopefully I'll get mine, It's my Birthday at the end of the month and would be a good bday present.
Got to the range with mine yesterday.
I put a brand new Mepro M21 sight on it and found it was defective, so unfortunately for now I cannot say how accurate the rifle is. The sight is going back for warranty repair.
I did find one thing peculiar... You cannot cycle the bolt with the hammer down and on safe. You can rack the bolt with the hammer cocked and on safe but not dropped and on safe.
Never had a rifle do that before.
Another point is the bolt stays open on the last round but closes when the mag is removed.... so you always need to rack the action to change an empty mag.
Not saying if this is good or bad... just saying that's how it works.
I put a brand new Mepro M21 sight on it and found it was defective, so unfortunately for now I cannot say how accurate the rifle is. The sight is going back for warranty repair.
I did find one thing peculiar... You cannot cycle the bolt with the hammer down and on safe. You can rack the bolt with the hammer cocked and on safe but not dropped and on safe.
Never had a rifle do that before.
Another point is the bolt stays open on the last round but closes when the mag is removed.... so you always need to rack the action to change an empty mag.
Not saying if this is good or bad... just saying that's how it works.
How original. Not.
Sorry, not sorry
But honestly though, it sure is a beautiful looking rifle and the reviews so far seem pretty decent but you gotta agree rebranding it a DMR rifle and spamming all of these "DMR components" in the new description, with a higher price tag, is pretty cheesy and deserving of DMR-quality ribbing
I'm anxious to see some accuracy tests. Anyone?
LOve that reply.
Sorry, not sorry
But honestly though, it sure is a beautiful looking rifle and the reviews so far seem pretty decent but you gotta agree rebranding it a DMR rifle and spamming all of these "DMR components" in the new description, with a higher price tag, is pretty cheesy and deserving of DMR-quality ribbing
I'm anxious to see some accuracy tests. Anyone?
Sorry, but no, not really. I honestly find the DMR jokes to be childish and tiresome at this point. The joke is old and now that the rifles are here it is even more lame than ever. But whatever - knock yourself out. I'll see if I can recall some "knock, knock" jokes to contribute to your chuckle-fest!
onetwentyish
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Im not saying its your intent Mark, but it seems like you are fanboy defending M+M's poor marketing (DMR ALL THE THINGS!) and more than coincidental price hike that happened to coincide with North Sylva's announcement of distribution rights. Not before they had a market M10x, and not after the first shipment sold out, but exactly when North Sylva got involved.
It is what it is, and I will get one at somepoint, it does look like a decent rifle, but M+M and NS deserve every bit of ribbing we can dish out. Besides, they are being paid well to deal with this fallout by those who have still purchased during this ordeal.
I do understand how the constant hate can become annoying as it drowns out otherwise good conversation about the rifle design, but I suppose thats a price we pay for supporting this behaviour...
My $0.02.
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Im not saying its your intent Mark, but it seems like you are fanboy defending M+M's poor marketing (DMR ALL THE THINGS!) and more than coincidental price hike that happened to coincide with North Sylva's announcement of distribution rights. Not before they had a market M10x, and not after the first shipment sold out, but exactly when North Sylva got involved.
It is what it is, and I will get one at somepoint, it does look like a decent rifle, but M+M and NS deserve every bit of ribbing we can dish out. Besides, they are being paid well to deal with this fallout by those who have still purchased during this ordeal.
I do understand how the constant hate can become annoying as it drowns out otherwise good conversation about the rifle design, but I suppose thats a price we pay for supporting this behaviour...
My $0.02.
Completely agree with you
No, that's not it at all. I have plenty of rifles that I am sure will put the M10X to shame in the quality department, accuracy, or however else you choose to rate a firearm. My distaste for the tiresome "DMR jokes" and other criticisms of the rifle comes from the fact that they are not directed at M+M or NS, as neither of those entities could care less - assuming that they even care enough to read the criticisms. No, let's be honest here and admit that the digs are intended towards those who support the M10X (not necessarily its maker or Canadian distributor). The insults are thinly veiled and have been rampant from the outset of the pricing brouhaha. Funny how whevever someone fires back at the abject hypocrisy demonstrated by the buyers of over-priced NR AR receiver sets however, those folks get all butt-hurt and defensive about their purchasing decisions. Talk about a double-standard....����
Im not saying its your intent Mark, but it seems like you are fanboy defending M+M's poor marketing (DMR ALL THE THINGS!) and more than coincidental price hike that happened to coincide with North Sylva's announcement of distribution rights. Not before they had a market M10x, and not after the first shipment sold out, but exactly when North Sylva got involved.
It is what it is, and I will get one at somepoint, it does look like a decent rifle, but M+M and NS deserve every bit of ribbing we can dish out. Besides, they are being paid well to deal with this fallout by those who have still purchased during this ordeal.
I do understand how the constant hate can become annoying as it drowns out otherwise good conversation about the rifle design, but I suppose thats a price we pay for supporting this behaviour...
My $0.02.
What possible reason would I have to defend M+M's marketing approach or NA's distribution practices? Serious question. Please elaborate on your theory, as you apparently have one...
Your last sentence fully explains my annoyance with the constant hate directed towards the M10X, so why do you insist on inferring more sinister motives my part?
What double standard? If you are referring to Macdef SLR sets then you aren't up to date on your prices for milled receiver sets. A complete USA made milled AR style receiver set will cost you about $800 Cdn. Paying an additional $200 for a Canadain made set of a design which has never before existed and is made by a small shop in limited numbers(right now) is far from gouging. The M10x had an original Canadian price of $1500 then miraculously climbed to over $2000 without reason other than the gimmicky DMR safety selector. M&M screwed over two retailers and settled with a third at the expense of Canadian gun owners. Someone else pointed out that an M10x could be had for approximately $1200 USD in the US right now which works out to approximately $1585 Cdn. So where does the extra $400 plus dollars in cost come from for the Canadian market?? NS isn't paying US retail..
I will come out and say it, those who are purchasing the M10x are fools who are grossly over paying for a marginal product. All while supporting shady businesses with shady practices.
Okay, my jokes aren't funny. But in my case thats not why I'm making them. I have zero ridicule for you guys who buy/support/love this rifle and 100% towards M+M. Guns are guns, buy lots! As I said it looks great! I'd even consider this rifle for around half the price just to have it but that's neither here nor there. (I'm in the market for an AK style/looking rifle, this looks sorta like a modern AK)
Say, I'd be willing to EMT you over $50 for a box of match grade 7.62x39 ammo to put through your M10X to see how accurate the DMR rifle is. Post pictures. Might boost sales for the rifle too, ya?
As has already been discussed ad-nauseum, the "extra" $400 is easily accounted for as the result of US shipping, Canadian shipping, International brokerage, Export and Import applications and licenses, and so forth. Perhaps if you were paying attention instead of insulting entire blocks of CGN membership you wouldn't look like such a fvcking numpty right now....
You would be wasting $50, as I am the wrong guy to wring all possible accuracy out of any particular platform. Truth be told, I am not even remotely interested in knowing what the M10X is capable of with premium ammo, because that is not what I am ever going to feed mine. I certainly didn't buy my M10X as a precision rifle, "DMR" rifle, or some such animal. Like most others, I bought my M10X as an intermediate range plinker firing comparatively inexpensive surplus ammo. That's it, that's all. If anything, I am more interested in how the accuracy will stack up against an SKS or AK firing the same surplus fodder. I have a pretty good idea of what my AKMS was capable of 12 years ago when I last fired it, so will satisfy my own curiosity next week when my M10X arrives.
At half the price you are firmly in Type 81 territory. Now there is a head-to-head comparison that would be worthwhile. Unfortunately, things have become so polarized that it is doubtful we could find an unbiased panel of judges to compare the innate accuracy, ergonomics, fitment of parts, finish quality, optics readiness, accessory-friendliness, etc, etc. My guess is that the M10X would easily account for its comparatively premium price, but that is just conjecture at this point. I further suspect that when the dust settles, the M10X will compare more favourably with rifles costing even more, such as the Robarm XCM and the FAMAE 5.56mm. But that is just my bias showing, right?
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onetwentyish
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I dont feel this is a fair assessment since ATRS is already selling billet AR15 reciever sets for the same exact price as their forcasted MS price. Machine time isn't cheap. The ATRS MS, MDI SLR, and BCL 102 reciever sets are all in line with US made AR billet recievers, which is quite amazing considering the smaller market. Also, the problem people have with M+M was the arbitrary price jump M+M did knowing a new market was near and then trying to justify it by jumping the US price and getting DMR fever. Haha
I stated at the start of my post that I figured you did not mean to defend them in the way it comes off as, perhaps I didn't word that as clearly as I should have.
From my perspective, I would agree with jiffx, it appears to be a case of defending your purchase decisions, which is fine, just understand most folks are only marginally offput by the support of M+M and NS at worst. Yes your purchase enables them, but lets face it, it aint the first and wont be the last time I or any others buy a NS imported product either. This is very similar to how others (cr5) felt about me continuing to attend TSE easter sales after the swiss fiasco in '13.
I dont have any ill feelings towards you or any others who bought the m10x, I vote with my money and for now I am withholding till I find one at a suitable price even if I have to buy used stateside, import, and re-barrel. I think most others feel similarly to me and their comments are like mine also not an attack on the owners but rather one on the businesses involved. Obviously I cant speak for them or you but thats the way I see things.
Regardless, more pics and range reports! I want a modern AK!
