M+M M10x FRT 153447

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Nah, no price fixing here. Just a bunch of quiet distributors who initially posted fairly specific details about this firearm and their interactions with the supplier (which spoke about subsidizing th US market with CDN sales) but now were told by the manufacturer to stfu at the cost of presumably losing the right to sell their firearms. At least that's what my tinfoil hat told me.
 
I just want to know what the new price is....so I can decide if it's in the budget or if I need to move on.
I think the parties involved should know something by now?
 
A price pimp drives the price up based on hype, will "pay anything", pays on credit, and feels 'elite' because few people end up buying said items. Then wonders why that gun is then banned because there are so few on the market and are ripe low hanging fruit.

A good price is good for all of us.
 
bfiles said:
Didn't you pre order a MH/MV tho????
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Nope, I waited until I had hands on time at the range then took advantage of someone selling their fully loaded MH at a huge discount.

Bartok5 said:
Well, unfortunately this time your decision means no rifle inbound for you, and a potentially higher price the next time they are made available. All things considered, I am pleased with how my pre-order worked out. I will take my chances on the M10X sight unseen, based on plenty of reliable reviews. Not much of a risk by my reckoning...
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Oh well, I have plenty of non restricted toys to play with and if the price goes up to where I don't think it's worth it I'll just wait for the next rifle to come along.
All the pre-order hype and everyone throwing money at the retailers is why they re-think their initial release price. If you have people lining up at the doors and you're the one selling you're going to raise the price until the demand dies off, it's about selling each unit for maximum profit and they don't give a crap about what we like or think is fair or what the item is actually worth as long as we keep paying.

Why does M+M need to sell to Canada to supplement their US sales? Maybe the Americans don't think these rifles are worth the US retail price, so they send them here knowing that anything that gets a NR FRT is going to cause hysteria and we'll pay twice what they sell for in the US.
 
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HotSoup said:
Whats a price pimp?

Someone with more disposable income than you?
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There is a huge difference between making more money and spending it wisely and paying a faire price instead of a gouged one.

By suggesting a price over the initial price, you are being a price pimp
 
cr5 said:
... Maybe the Americans don't think these rifles are worth the US retail price, so they send them here knowing that anything that gets a NR FRT is going to cause hysteria and we'll pay twice what they sell for in the US.
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They have plenty of cheap and not so cheap AK offerings in US. M+M would never even try competing with that.

So, M10x is Swiss Arms design (Swiss SGs are banned in US) made to look like AK, with human ergonomics and modern rails.

It is at a good price point in US at 1K USD IMO.
 
It is pretty clear that Wantsall jumped the gun and made a mistake with there pricing and it is pretty awesome that they are honoring the preorder price they had listed on there website, likely at a loss.

The rifle will definitely cost more once this hurricane is over and M+M sets the price up for CDN's.

There is no longer any information about the M10x on Wantsall's website and M+M released this "Official Press Release" on there own website today Oct 12/17.

https://www.mm-industries.com/official-press-release-october-12th-2017/
 
MET said:
It is pretty clear that Wantsall jumped the gun and made a mistake with there pricing and it is pretty awesome that they are honoring the preorder price they had listed on there website, likely at a loss.

The rifle will definitely cost more once this hurricane is over and M+M sets the price up for CDN's.

There is no longer any information about the M10x on Wantsall's website and M+M released this "Official Press Release" on there own website today Oct 12/17.

https://www.mm-industries.com/official-press-release-october-12th-2017/
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Looks to me like an attempt flaring the chute before the hard landing with a price increase due to demand... I mean due to "unforseen costs"
 
MET said:
It is pretty clear that Wantsall jumped the gun and made a mistake with there pricing and it is pretty awesome that they are honoring the preorder price they had listed on there website, likely at a loss.

The rifle will definitely cost more once this hurricane is over and M+M sets the price up for CDN's.

There is no longer any information about the M10x on Wantsall's website and M+M released this "Official Press Release" on there own website today Oct 12/17.

https://www.mm-industries.com/official-press-release-october-12th-2017/
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still not a word on distributor or importer on that official press release and can am is silent also ...
 
M+M was quick to contradict Wanstalls offering and price, I can only assume they know what CanAm has posted as well in regards to lowest price, importation, contents of the FRT, etc and yet have made no posts to contradict any of it.
 
Wanstalls must have been privy to a price structure from M+M in the first place. How else could they set a sale price then offer a pre-order. It is unfortunate that they are left holding the bag.
 
MET said:
It is pretty clear that Wantsall jumped the gun and made a mistake with there pricing and it is pretty awesome that they are honoring the preorder price they had listed on there website, likely at a loss.

The rifle will definitely cost more once this hurricane is over and M+M sets the price up for CDN's.

There is no longer any information about the M10x on Wantsall's website and M+M released this "Official Press Release" on there own website today Oct 12/17.

https://www.mm-industries.com/official-press-release-october-12th-2017/
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Don't worry about them taking a loss, I'm pretty sure no matter what happens they'll still make a few bucks on the pre-orders then move to full margin on the following shipments.
If they truly were going to take a loss they would give an apology with the return of the pre-order money then put them up for sale a month later at the price they want to sell them for.
If US retail is $1000 then the dealers are getting them cheaper than that (prob about $750US), the only people losing money is the Canadian consumer.
Now that they have a NR FRT has anyone contacted IRunGuns to bring one in? Prob be $1500CAD if they can do it.
 
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MET said:
It is pretty clear that Wantsall jumped the gun and made a mistake with there pricing and it is pretty awesome that they are honoring the preorder price they had listed on there website, likely at a loss.

The rifle will definitely cost more once this hurricane is over and M+M sets the price up for CDN's.

There is no longer any information about the M10x on Wantsall's website and M+M released this "Official Press Release" on there own website today Oct 12/17.

https://www.mm-industries.com/official-press-release-october-12th-2017/
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That M&M guy is a total ####.
Canam's last post on the subject.
Originally Posted by CanAm View Post
I wasn't going to comment until I spoke with M+M, but there is a lot of speculation.

When I pressed M+M on their very high pricing, I was told they had an agreement with their US investors to use export pricing to subsidize US pricing. Retail would be $2000-$2400 once the dust settled , based on exchange at time of import/approval. So be it, it is their boat. So I announced a rough price at the time, with a very low margin for us, and a dealer price that meant we likely had to only sell customer direct.

M+M is a small company which seems to be pulled in several directions, and changes its mind on a whim. So be it.

Obviously, things have changed, this is business. I will know more this week.
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$2000-$2400CAD....for a $1000USD RETAIL rifle.
M&M can go #### themselves. No gunshop here should even bother dealing with this prick.
 
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MET said:
Yes I have to agree lol. I wonder if CanAm will now say FU M+M, screw it...
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Highly doubtful since they've been on 100% radio silence re: M10X. I suppose they don't want to make waves and get cut off from the supply by shedding light on the backdoor shenanigans / price gouging it seems.
 
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