M+M M10x FRT 153447

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I just read through some of the M+M facebook page and have been following along here with those upset at the likely price increase. Where's the anger over other similar products like the CSA vz 58? I bought one 5 years ago for 799 new. Theyre 1400+ at some places now! Thats for a rifle with zero places for any optics or attachments... and a huge increase in price in only a few years! I love the vz 58 dont get me wrong... but I haven't seen the same anger on here that I have with the M10x.

If anything Wanstalls managed to save a few of us a few bucks on a rifle that was never going to be 1450 to anyone. In the original Can Am thread people were excited for this rifle even after being told it could be $2000 or more... now all of a sudden people have their pitchforks out...

Im excited to hear the ETA on these crossing our border!
 
I was researching the m10x on American forums and came across this firing pin / dry firing issue multiple times (these are from 2015/16 so I do assume M+M has come a long way to solve these issues):

"After I purchased the gun I dry fired it about 10 times and the end of the firing pin came out the barrel. I'm a new guy so I had no clue. Took the gun apart, sent a picture of the pin and emailed Ron. He responded in 10 minutes saying they've not had problems with the firing pins but he wouldn't suggest dry firing. He overnighted me a firing pin, keeper and about 50 stickers. His help before buying and quick response since has made me proud to have bought an American designed, manufactured and assembled quality firearm."

"I was shooting Golden Tiger and Tula black label ammo from my M10X and was getting 2-3 out of 20 fail to ignite rounds and the primers showed solid, deep pin hits.
First four 30 round mags went 100% but after that the problems started and got worse.
That same batch of ammo is basically 100% sure fire from all my other x39 rifles.
Made mention of this when I sent my M10X back for all the other issues.
Not sure whats going on with that but maybe the shape of the tip of the firing pin is contributing to it.
I also had the charging handle coming back and impacting the receiver top half (on both sides) and galling the metal as well as lots of both fail to feed and fail to eject stove pipes. Tried to up the gas setting to 2 with no change.
Also had what I suspect was a blown out primer that blew the firing pin back 2" out the back of the bolt where it was stuck. Had to drive out the retaining pin and then the firing pin could be removed. The FP looks OK but the retaining pin is all galled up where the pin came back and went over top of it and the retaining pin now just drops right out when tilted.
Very disappointed in this rifle but I ran a big risk buying a new rifle design from a small company.
I will let you know but so far their customer service is very good. I just hope they can solve all these issues."

Source: https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=180127

"I talked with Mike Meier at that factory, and he told me I could relay this to you here:
They do know about a soft-pin issue that may affect some rifles. They already have replacement pins in stock, and they'll be replacing that when they get your rifle in, along with anything damaged by that pin failure (ie: firing pin.)
There's also an extractor spring issue that has come to their attention, and they'll take care of that at the same time, which should correct the stove-pipes you reported.
The galling of the extruded cover is new to us, but they'll have a look at that, and let you know what they find, and what they do to fix that issue."

Source: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210340&page=13

Again these are just some negatives from the early years I came across among all of the positive reviews of this platform. It's understandable to see these kind of failures in the first produced m10x's. I'm on the pre-order and I just hope the rifles being sent up here are top notch.

As far as the Vz.58 goes, I've put in way too much money into that rifle to make it into what the m10x comes out of the box. That said, the m10x should scratch all the x39 tactical NR rifle itch.
 
Just typical early teething problems, nothing to worry about. All new designs encounter unforeseen issues which must be addressed through rolling changes on the production line. I am confident that all of the issues have since been aďdressed, given the universally positive video and text reviews.
 
Just typical early teething problems, nothing to worry about. All new designs encounter unforeseen issues which must be addressed through rolling changes on the production line. I am confident that all of the issues have since been aďdressed, given the universally positive video and text reviews.

This only happens with companies who use the consumer as a beta tester rather than doing their own extensive R&D prior to releasing the product for sale.
 
Just typical early teething problems, nothing to worry about. All new designs encounter unforeseen issues which must be addressed through rolling changes on the production line. I am confident that all of the issues have since been aďdressed, given the universally positive video and text reviews.

Yeah, thats what I thought of it too. Since people who have the newer zhukov and elite models aren't having any issues and report positive reviews. Only early teething problems like you said.
 
This only happens with companies who use the consumer as a beta tester rather than doing their own extensive R&D prior to releasing the product for sale.

While true, sadly any other rifle which compares to this and is made by bigger companies like SIG and IWI are not being brought in because of the dreaded RCMP classification. A platform which is based off the Galil like the Ace is going to be seen as a Galil and classified as such. The Sig 556R, I don't have a clue what would happen there but it isn't happening, yet. The good part of all of this is that the m10x is happening and with the best classification.
 
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First post :) Welcome ....
 
Oh, great. Another CanAm fan-boy sh#t-disturber who just can't resist. HINT: Try an intro in the correct forum before you come spouting your
drivel, lest you be banned for the drive-by troll that you clearly. are....

It is abundantly clear that at the end of the day, CanAm did not have the exclusive distributorship all sewn up. Sucks to be them. It's called buisness.
 
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More of that chit dude!!!! Come on.
Do people not know how much more we pay on automobiles in Canada compared to the states just because they can....are you calling for a ban on Chevy!!! And it's the same for a lot of goods. We pay more just because they can.
Banning pfffffffft

Great. So because some are doing that, more should? I wish I had the cavalier attitude toward money you do, but I have a family to feed and a desire to sleep at night ;)
 
Oh, great. Another CanAm fan-boy sh#t-disturber who just can't resist. HINT: Try an intro in the correct forum before you come spouting your
drivel, lest you be banned for the drive-by troll that you clearly. are....

It is abundantly clear that at the end of the day, CanAm did not have the exclusive distributorship all sewn up. Sucks to be them. It's called buisness.

wow... dude. Do you not see the hypocrisy on the slam-job you just did here?
 
What’s taking SO FREAKING LONG for them to determine a price?

Likely because the dealer that had contract with M+M that was said to be exclusive was undermined by another retailer. But that is just my opinion after talking to those I have a pre-order with as things do not add up after hearing their story and M+Ms
 
Oh, great. Another CanAm fan-boy sh#t-disturber who just can't resist. HINT: Try an intro in the correct forum before you come spouting your
drivel, lest you be banned for the drive-by troll that you clearly. are....

It is abundantly clear that at the end of the day, CanAm did not have the exclusive distributorship all sewn up. Sucks to be them. It's called buisness.

They very well could have been exclusive and the retailer presaleing rifles used a third party to source the rifles. This seems more and more likely from the posts of the involved parties and discussions I have had on the phone
 
wow... dude. Do you not see the hypocrisy on the slam-job you just did here?

Nope. If you are implying that I am a M+M fan-boy you are mistaken. I just don't think that they should be run out of town on the tines of a pitchfork due to hysterical Rumour and innuendo. Which is precisely what was happening earlier in this unfortunate saga, and still is with certain people..

Besides all of the above, Greenbelt needs to observe the CGN rules concerning first posts. Jumping right into the most contentious thread on the site is not exactly a well-considered move.

If I misunderstood the intent of your post Greenbelt, then I apologize. I am simply sick and tired of all the unnecessary and ill-informed bashing of all concerned parties in this messy situation. Like others, I have an interest in receiving the (apparently) innovative rifle that I have ordered and would rather that M+M not take their product (or its future support) elsewhere because of a messy launch or bad blood in the Canadian market.
 
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Great. So because some are doing that, more should? I wish I had the cavalier attitude toward money you do, but I have a family to feed and a desire to sleep at night ;)

I don't have a cavalier attitude towards money and I have 4 kids . I didn't think more should #### us . You really think everyone should cry ba ba ba ban them whenever we don't like the price of something or how one business decides there products price???? You agree it's cool ....so you gonna ban every company that sells there products to Canadians for far more than they charge Americans just because they can???? My issue is with the calling for a ban it's very liberal,petty and definitely uncalled for!!
 
I don't have a cavalier attitude towards money and I have 4 kids . I didn't think more should #### us . You really think everyone should cry ba ba ba ban them whenever we don't like the price of something or how one business decides there products price???? You agree it's cool ....so you gonna ban every company that sells there products to Canadians for far more than they charge Americans just because they can???? My issue is with the calling for a ban it's very liberal,petty and definitely uncalled for!!

This. Banning a business for trying to realize a profit is stupid in the extreme. Especially when a sizable number of gunnutz are interested in acquiring the product!
 
So this is where we are at now.....
Wow the butt hurt is strong ! I’m going to ask for twice what I paid in the EE lol....... just jokes..... 1.5 times to be fair lol. Probably not but the outrage over a product is pretty heated for something not even here yet
 
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