M1 Carbine Folding Stock Legal?

lone-wolf said:
Ugh, rifle with a folding stock that puts it under 26" is restricted not prohib.


What makes you think it'd be prohib?
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"The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:
-a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660mm (26 inches) in overall length."
 
zuke said:
Mine measure's 28 1/4 with an 18 3/4 barrel.
It's also in .45 win mag :D
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With folding stock. non-restricted. 45 win mag. Sounds like a perfect deer rifle. Will probably outperform my 20G slug gun. Accurate?
 
Yes it is, but I've been playing around with really heavy bullet's,350gr.
They drop pretty fast and recoil? :eek:
Don't get your face too close to the stock pivot point/lock.
 
tiriaq said:
"The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:
-a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660mm (26 inches) in overall length."
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Pretty sure by altered they mean a hacksaw was taken to it.
Literally the rifle would be under 26" by folding the stock and not by altering. Unless folding is another term for altering, then why the different usage in the regs?
 
What a cop thinks is illegal, a judge may disagree. And vice versa.
Who should I call to be sure, a cop, a judge, or the cfc?
 
By replacing the original non-folding stock with a folding stock, the firearm is being altered, is it not?
You linked to the restricted firearm definitions. The quote I posted is from the prohibited section.
A call to a tech. in Ottawa MIGHT clairfy the issue - although RCMP opinion is not necessarily the law.
 
Rimfire example.
You cut down a barrel below 18" and it's prohib. That is altering.
You replace a barrel, with one below 18", it's not altering, it's still non-restricted.

So I assume you can replace a stock like you can replace a barrel. And have it not considered altered.

How do I call a tech in Ottawa? Not sure where to find the number. I sent an email, but I doubt they'll answer.
 
In the rimfire example, the overall length is still an issue, even though the barrel length is not.
 
My point is, changing a barrel with a shorter factory made barrel is not considered altering(ie cutting) the barrel.
So why should changing a stock, with a shorter factory made stock be considered altering the rifle?
 
OK. A 12" commercially made barrel can be installed on a 10/22, and the barrel change is not considered to be illegal. As long as the rifle stays over 26", it is non-restricted.
Take the same 12" barrelled action and put it in a pistol grip (only) stock - like the one on Ruger's 10/22 based pistol.
What would be the classification of the firearm?
Could it be reregistered as restricted, or would it become prohibited?
 
stencollector said:
If the rifle is presently non-restricted, and you modify it with the stock that now reduces it's total length to under 26", you have just made a prohib. The CC doesn't allow an individual to make a restricted out of a non-restricted.

You can work the other way though, and bring a restricted up to non-restricted status.
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Another way of describing the situation.
 
You can make a restricted out of non restricted by cutting a semi auto centerfire barrel to below 18.5 but above 18"

Restricted
A semi-automatic, centre-fire firearm with a barrel length less than 470 mm that is not a prohibited firearm;
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Prohib
rifles and shotguns that have been altered so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches)
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Anyways I understand what your saying. What I'm saying is changing the stock to another folding one does not change it's OAL to below 26". The act of folding the stock does, which the regs say is restricted. If the stock was solid and under 26", the stock would alter the oal to below 26" which is prohib.

What I'm saying may sound good to me, but you might be right, and I could be totally wrong.
I won't be spreading this anymore till I get some confirmation one way or the other.
 
Make/model: Plainfield Machine Company, M1 Carbine
Calibre: .30 Carbine
Barrel length: 18.5"
Currently non-restricted with fixed stock.

If the stock is replaced with a folding one, and the over all length
drops below 26" when folded, what is the classification of it then?

CFC Replied to my email:
“This firearm is originally fitted with a 457mm barrel length which make
it restricted. The 470mm is not a genuine barrel on this rifle hence the
non-restricted classification. If a folding stock is adapted to this
firearm that will reduce the overall length below 660mm the firearm will
become classified as restricted as per C.C. Sec 84 "Rest firearms" para
c.”
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Well, there you go. Print it off, and keep it handy, in case you ever want to get the registration certificate altered.
 
That's an interesting email, considering a non-restricted cannot be re-classified to a restricted. It immediately goes to prohib status.

Wonder if that was slip-up by a tech at the CFC?
 
ki11ercane said:
That's an interesting email, considering a non-restricted cannot be re-classified to a restricted. It immediately goes to prohib status.

Wonder if that was slip-up by a tech at the CFC?
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Where did you get your info?

Should write/email/call them to see if they'll give you a different answer.
 
lone-wolf said:
Where did you get your info?
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A firearm can only go "down" from prohib, it cannot go back up.

For example, if you cut your non-restricted M14 barrel to 16", it will not become a restricted M14. The CFC will not re-classify it to restricted. They will deem it a prohibited device, and demand you surrender it. (because it's illegal to be in possession of it)

However, you can "lengthen" the barrel of certain firearms (like the M1 Carbine and Beretta Storm) to go over 18.5" and change them from restricted to non-restricted.

The mentality of the law is "less restricted firearms, not more" by means of modification.

Search is your friend. Lots of threads about this here.
 
Yes, but going by the law. You can make a restricted out of a non restricted by cutting the barrel below 18.5" and above 18"
Not that I've tried this. I'll email them and see what they say about that as well.
 
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