M10X Canadian MSRP set
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I'm not, because I said I wouldn't disclose anything.
Edit: I also don't want to post hearsay from years gone by, is that not clear?
Edit: I also don't want to post hearsay from years gone by, is that not clear?
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yes but the overstock is lasting for a while now, and there is a lot of misc ar15 available for cheap on the us market ...
I called shenanigans on what went down with M+M, Canada Ammo and Wanstalls, multiple MSRP's. NS has been silent on the matter, the whole thing smells. M+M's public statements are some of the worst I've ever seen from a company.
I've seen repeat behavior in industry I don't like. I'm calling this out as an example, I'm careful with my words, if I make a direct statement, that is what I do. Read the last bit of what I was stating regarding NS and M+M, without the various middle men, NR tax what would equitable pricing be?
Do you remember that M+M had been claiming there was no exclusives, and it would be supplying to dealers? And now what???
Again, there was no accusation. I've posted dealer and msrp pricing that was disclosed to me for discussion, others can work out the roller coaster of MSRP,in Canada, US and US street pricing, for the same rifle.
Why are questions being asked? to clarify! And you're accusing of slander, and calling people names in general.
I've seen repeat behavior in industry I don't like. I'm calling this out as an example, I'm careful with my words, if I make a direct statement, that is what I do. Read the last bit of what I was stating regarding NS and M+M, without the various middle men, NR tax what would equitable pricing be?
Do you remember that M+M had been claiming there was no exclusives, and it would be supplying to dealers? And now what???
Again, there was no accusation. I've posted dealer and msrp pricing that was disclosed to me for discussion, others can work out the roller coaster of MSRP,in Canada, US and US street pricing, for the same rifle.
Why are questions being asked? to clarify! And you're accusing of slander, and calling people names in general.
so NS will have a great warranty on mms?
Sunchild2071
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See the link, below.
That "seems" to be the non-DMR, non-match safety, model, at what seems to be the potential NS MSRP. So I might be inclined to include that the full DMR, match grade safety version may come in even higher?
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Nobody debates that businesses need to keep the lights on, but it's a fact that the week after the gun was approved in canada, m&m raised the us MSRP, where they are selling virtually no rifles, from $1249 to $1449, and then 2 days later to $1649usd, which happens to work out to about $2100 Canadian.
I don't believe in santa clause and I don't believe this is a coincidence either. We have all seen NS in action before. As soon as they distribute a product, the price goes way up. It's actually a "thing" with them. I also note they have some of the worst customer support in the biz - yes, from first hand knowledge.
If you google, you will see the m10x in usa retail outfits for $1049 and not selling well. The $1249 msrp price was fantasy to begin with.
Then m&m publicly committed to honoring their pre-sales after making wantsalls crawl through a sea of their own excrement for that privilege. 1 week later, their third exclusivity deal in as many months appears to have been inked, wantsalls nukes all online mention of honoring sales, and we are stuck with a $650cdn price hike overnight.
I expect that $500 of that is ns's take, they have to leave a little meat in the bone for tenda, sfrc, etc.
None of this is in dispute. It was all out in the open with actual ordering dealers telling us about it.
Canada may be a unique market, but the acronym DMR and 2" or barrel is not enough to justify what we are seeing, even after the most expensive brokerage and shipping fees your imagination can conjure.
Guys, I have no skin in this one, but, realistically.
It is a direct competitor to Sig556xi in US, which goes for 1200-1600 USD (not a problem free rifle). M+M being an unknown company, had to undercut SIG on the price.
If M10x is as reliable as they are trying to hype on Youtube, and M+M stays in business to support the rifle, $2K is about right.
From a different perspective. CSA Vz58 is 1.4K, add Zhukov furniture and rails and you are again in $2K range.
Another one. SG542 is $2100 new on sale due to it being outdated design. Make it it in 7.62x39 and it will be back at 2.5K range as a novelty.
If it wasn't for Wanstalls fiasco, we would be lining up for M10x pre-order now. If they drop it on sale for 1.8K, rifles will be gone in a day.
It is a direct competitor to Sig556xi in US, which goes for 1200-1600 USD (not a problem free rifle). M+M being an unknown company, had to undercut SIG on the price.
If M10x is as reliable as they are trying to hype on Youtube, and M+M stays in business to support the rifle, $2K is about right.
From a different perspective. CSA Vz58 is 1.4K, add Zhukov furniture and rails and you are again in $2K range.
Another one. SG542 is $2100 new on sale due to it being outdated design. Make it it in 7.62x39 and it will be back at 2.5K range as a novelty.
If it wasn't for Wanstalls fiasco, we would be lining up for M10x pre-order now. If they drop it on sale for 1.8K, rifles will be gone in a day.
So much for free market forces. This rifle is like gasoline.
100%
I bought a CSA Vz 58 a couple years ago for $799... they are 13-1400 now and to get them to have similar capability to the M10x could be pushing 2k.
Sunchild2071
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- Glen Park, AB
Agree with the pre-order sentiment. No way I'll go down that road.
Why is it not in direct competition with the $400-$500 AK's? I mean they kept all the ####iest AK features, made it unreliable by leaving gaps in the receiver and trigger guard, check the video where it completely ####s the bed due to a little bit of sand...
https://youtu.be/MrCJztRpDBg
Its not competing with the 500$ AK's... thats one of their problems. We dont have that same competition here.
As for that video... the guy ultimately sings its praises.
Yea, I brought that vid up. But M10x is a swiss arms action. Like direct copy, check 556xi disassembly. M+M essentially just reinvented it. And in process they ####ed it up with ambi charging handle.
As a general rule, the tighter your rifle is, the more sensitive it is to dirt. AR-15 worked around this with closed design, AK with very lose tolerances. But dump the send on oiled trigger group and it will #### up the AK too. AKs run more reliably in sandy conditions without any oil at all.
