M10X Canadian MSRP set

Claven2 said:
O really? So do you have the e-mails and documentation to show Wantsalls was a bad actor and jumped a gun? According to them, they had secured pricing and M&M changed their minds. And how do you explain TWO consecutive MSRP price hikes up to the equivalent of $2100 Canadian in a span of 2 weeks?

We all know you are dealer affiliated, so forgive me if we all take your view with a huge grain of salt.

Again, if you have insider information, let's hear it - otherwise your voice & opinion is no more valid than mine.

And for the record, I have personally experience non-existent customer service form NS, as have many others here. But sure. Because you say so, they are a great company to deal with.
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Wanstalls posted a presale without a contract signed or rifles ordered/payed for. That is definitely jumping the gun. For the MSRP hikes, it could be that they are trying to save face. It could also be that with our market opening up they are adjusting the retail to better reflect the actual costs of production, or it could be something else. You may have an opinion but it is based on speculation, as is mine. With this given you cannot form any real conclusion, and accusing anyone of being greedy or colluding to jack up prices is unfounded.

If you dismiss my views because I am an industry insider, it is your loss. I have clearly stated that I have no direct involvement in this matter through my current employer.

I have stated that I will answer any specific questions I can. I will not; however, release information given in confidence.

To be sure NS has their issues, but if 99 people get good service and 1 gets bad, you know who will be making a thread talking about it...
 
LOL

Logic, wow. My logic is telling me there is no point in trying to have a conversation with you. I guess you also don't know what the staw man is I was referring to. You think I'm a raging villager, interesting. Guy's enjoy your guns when you get them.

Shin_Gunto said:
Ar180shooter , you are wasting your time replying with logic, it does not resonate well. The pitchforks are out and a straw man (love this term used by a one of these raging villagers) needs to be sacrificed, in their eyes.
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Bartok5 said:
Nicely put! And sadly accurate...
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Honest question, what the hell happen? Can anyone explain it accurately, and factually? Does anyone that knows and can't say, urge an authority to comment respectfully?

You accused me of slander and making accusations and to shut it. Which is not true.

Addition information I have is over years of discussion with several people and dealers. I already said its hearsay and I wont post it.

Okay, so the derogatory comments about community were not personal. I've highlight the MSRP and pricing structure that was disclosed to me for discussion. Nothing more, this was raise to me in context of non forum information that is very negative towards industry practices I've seen.

The questions come into play with multiple MSRP's, various dealers and importers quagmire. M+M had said the were going to sell direct. Now things have completely changed and MSRP's have been bumped and change in two countries, for a product that doesn't' appear to be selling.

Yes, there are lots of questions, just read the forums. I can't summarized everything. We need dealers for us to know what is equitable, I know from what that means in many industries, for service and product sales. There is no sense going in circles, if we don't understand what is being asked. Part of that is too many questions. Are we talking about this case, or industry at large?

Ar180shooter said:
I've seen very few honest questions in this thread, and a lot of accusations made without merit. Not calling people names. If I can't justify anything I said that is interpreted as a personal insult I will retract it. Refer to post #458. If you want me to make similar justifications for anything I've said I'm more than happy to.

If you don't like a specific behavior by a specific company, don't buy from them. I'm asking you what equitable margins for the manufacturer, distributor and dealers are? You keep talking about the NR tax and middle men, but where do they fit in? You are the one saying the current pricing structure is unfair, so what's fair? If M+M said they would sell direct it was likely before knowing how much of a PITA ITAR is to deal with. As I said, if you have any specific questions I will answer them.
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like it, hate it. buy it or not so far it is not here ... when it will be there and some will have been beta-testers at +-$2000, we will be able to chat and see how the warranty works if needed ....
 
Just to clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.

We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.

We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.

-Craig Jones
 
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WanstallsOnline said:
Just too clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.

We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.

We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.

-Craig Jones
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Wow, thank you for the update.
 
TreMoR said:
Just an half of story, means nothing. Sorry
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Here are the two stories:

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Just to clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.

We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.

We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.
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WanstallsOnline said:
Just to clear things up with everyone. We did confirm pricing and eta with the President of M+M, before the pre-sale. They decided to go a different route and raise their pricing for the Canadian market.

We were assured by M+M, that they themselves would provide the rifles to us in order to cover the pre-order. North Sylva was never mentioned in these conversations with the management of M+M.

We found out they had decided to go with North Sylva when you did.

-Craig Jones
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exactly. Thank you for bring this to light. Just what we ve been saying: There is no way you set up a presale without talking to mm before hand for an agreeable price. mm saw the interests here and decided to ditch two reputable Canadian shops (including you)and went with @#$%bag ns. mm 's sale in u.s is nonexistence and they want to rip Canadian off for the 2'' addional barrel. mm and ns are shameful business and should be avoided.

Also, there is not a single rifle produced yet for Canadians, they need our money to start the production. some spoiled b here are well off and they do not care to get burned by paying $2000+ for a $1000 rifle. Then let them be.
 
TreMoR said:
Just an half of story, means nothing. Sorry
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It's valuable input on the matter, although talking to the president about pricing and delivery dates is hardly the same as having placed an order and paid a deposit, unless this was also done? Holding a presale without a confirmed distribution agreement (in writing) was jumping the gun.
 
Canada tail said:
exactly. Thank you for bring this to light. Just what we ve been saying: There is no way you set up a presale without talking to mm before hand for an agreeable price. mm saw the interests here and decided to ditch two reputable Canadian shops (including you)and went with @#$%bag ns. mm 's sale in u.s is nonexistence and they want to rip Canadian off for the 2'' addional barrel. mm and ns are shameful business and should be avoided.

Also, there is not a single rifle produced yet for Canadians, they need our money to start the production. some spoiled b here are well off and they do not care to get burned by paying $2000+ for a $1000 rifle. Then let them be.
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No signed contract = no guarantees. Business 101.
 
Paul_1982 said:
Here are the two stories:
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Another half story. Sorry. But i Know where i bought my m10x and who confirmed me twice it will happen and suggest me to buy accessories "right now" !after some mystic issue,Wanstall decide to not carry rifle and push my order under the bus.

Sorry but bull$hit everywhere,,, I don' t want to offense any body, but it' s the facts.
 
I believe Wanstalls in what they say. There was no reason for them to try and pull a fast one over those who were in the pressle.
M&M is obviously the shyster in all of this. Greed will get the better of them in the end
Thanks Craig for the explanation and to set things straight
 
M&M has been a douchebag on FB from the start, not hard to tell where the #### went south.
Thanks for the post Craig.
#### M&M!
 
Deathrawt said:
I believe Wanstalls in what they say. There was no reason for them to try and pull a fast one over those who were in the pressle.
M&M is obviously the shyster in all of this. Greed will get the better of them in the end
Thanks Craig for the explanation and to set things straight
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I do not. CanAm submitted the rifle for approval and brought it to its NR status, that is confirmed by the FRT entry.

Both Wanstalls and NS after the fact claim to have played an intricate part in getting the NR status.

I guess since these days where "fake news" and "alternate facts" are running rampant, you can be ignorant to the truth to the end
 
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