M10X-Z experience - the good and the bad. 375 rounds UPDATES POSTS 14, 17, 18, 56, 63

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When the M10X came out, I REALLY wanted one, but after the pricing debacle and the VERY mixed experiences people had with them, I decided against it.

Then, in the fall of 2021, I stumbled onto a REALLY good deal (ie, a reasonable price) on a new-production short-handguard rifle, which from my readings around the interwebs seemed to suck a bit less than the earlier long-handguard version. So, I figured what the heck.

I tried it shortly after, in the fall of 2021, with a pmag (the polymer mag it came with seemed, well, kind of crappy). It fed, fired, and ejected just fine, but had numerous light primer strikes (probably eight or ten amongst the 50 or so rounds I put through it that day).

...Back to the online labyrinth to look for more info...

Several people noted that the firing pin spring was too strong, and that removing a couple of coils from it eliminated the light-strike issue. So, with my ongoing what-the-heck attitude when it comes to this rifle, I snipped three coils off the firing pin spring and reinstalled it.

----- Which takes us to today... -----

I brought 300 rounds of Norinco copper washed non-corrosive ammo, a 40/5 metal RPK mag, a 30/5 steel Russian mag, a pmag, moderately low expectations, and the crappy polymer mag it came with to the range. I quickly discovered that the rifle fed, fired, and ejected 100% with the pmag, but only very sporadically with the metal mags or the other polymer mag - it would often load, fire, and eject the first or maybe first couple of rounds fine, but then not strip the next round out of the mag.

At that point I was reasonably happy with the rifle when combined with pmags, but I had pretty much decided to sell all of my steel AK mags and use the money to buy MORE pmags. Out of the blue, another guy at the range who had been asking about the gun suggested that I adjust the gas to the 'adverse' setting.

"How in the hell would that help?", I asked myself, but sure, what the heck, I tried it anyway.

Much to my surprise, the adverse gas setting didn't seem to affect recoil noticeably, but completely eliminated the feeding issues - from there on, the rifle ran through my remaining 200 or so rounds with absolutely no problems whatsoever.

Actually, that's not quite true - my buddy tried the gun toward the end and managed to fail to get it completely into battery. I cleared the gun and watched him reload, and saw that he was riding the charging handle a bit and, sure enough, he had the same problem... the bolt went ALMOST all the way forward, but not quite all the way. When the charging handle was used properly... no problems.

So, the takeaway seems to be that this rifle likes it rough - give it lots of gas, and smack that charging handle with authority, and the gun runs 100%.

I'll provide an update when I have more rounds downrange. Total round count is about 350 now.


 
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When the M10X came out, I REALLY wanted one, but after the pricing debacle and the VERY mixed experiences people had with them, I decided against it.

Then, in the fall of 2021, I stumbled onto a REALLY good deal (ie, a reasonable price) on a new-production short-handguard rifle, which from my readings around the interwebs seemed to suck a bit less than the earlier long-handguard version. So, I figured what the heck.

I tried it shortly after, in the fall of 2020, with a pmag (the polymer mag it came with seemed, well, kind of crappy). It fed, fired, and ejected just fine, but had numerous light primer strikes (probably eight or ten amongst the 50 or so rounds I put through it that day).

...Back to the online labyrinth to look for more info...

Several people noted that the firing pin spring was too strong, and that removing a couple of coils from it eliminated the light-strike issue. So, with my ongoing what-the-heck attitude when it comes to this rifle, I snipped three coils off the firing pin spring and reinstalled it.

----- Which takes us to today... -----

I brought 300 rounds of Norinco copper washed non-corrosive ammo, a 40/5 metal RPK mag, a 30/5 steel Russian mag, a pmag, moderately low expectations, and the crappy polymer mag it came with to the range. I quickly discovered that the rifle fed, fired, and ejected 100% with the pmag, but only very sporadically with the metal mags or the other polymer mag - it would often load, fire, and eject the first or maybe first couple of rounds fine, but then not strip the next round out of the mag.

At that point I was reasonably happy with the rifle when combined with pmags, but I had pretty much decided to sell all of my steel AK mags and use the money to buy MORE pmags. Out of the blue, another guy at the range who had been asking about the gun suggested that I adjust the gas to the 'adverse' setting.

"How in the hell would that help?", I asked myself, but sure, what the heck, I tried it anyway.

Much to my surprise, the adverse gas setting didn't seem to affect recoil noticeably, but completely eliminated the feeding issues - from there on, the rifle ran through my remaining 200 or so rounds with absolutely no problems whatsoever.

Actually, that's not quite true - my buddy tried the gun toward the end and managed to fail to get it completely into battery. I cleared the gun and watched him reload, and saw that he was riding the charging handle a bit and, sure enough, he had the same problem... the bolt went ALMOST all the way forward, but not quite all the way. When the charging handle was used properly... no problems.

So, the takeaway seems to be that this rifle likes it rough - give it lots of gas, and smack that charging handle with authority, and the gun runs 100%.

I'll provide an update when I have more rounds downrange. Total round count is about 350 now.

I am wondering if the feeding issues with the other mags might be from the friction between the top round in the mag and the bottom of the bolt carrier? A friend of mine has a brand new one and his works very well with pmags and the cheap norinco copper washed ammo. He has never used the higher gas setting as he has never had to. It is no AK-47 but it is probably the closest NR version (other than the Type 81) of it we can still legally own and use.
 
I had one, with both the original bolt and the enhanced bolt. Original bolt had about 175 rounds, when I decided to get the enhanced bolt and had about 500+ rounds. I only used non corrosive ammo. I had no issues with steel mags, but some of the pmags were pinned to with too tight of a tolerance and you could fit 5 rounds, but once you try to chamber a round it would fail to go into full battery. Wanted to keep it, but had to free up funds.
 
Just a note: where does the “treat your gun gentle” mentality comes from? I.E. ride the bolt. It’s a gun… it’s a chunk of metal designed to encapsulate an explosion to expel an other chuck of metal. Where does the “gentle” part come in?

I see guys at the range all the time working that bolt slow and gentle… why? All the muscly arms and man power in the world ain’t going to break that action…
 
I had one, with both the original bolt and the enhanced bolt. Original bolt had about 175 rounds, when I decided to get the enhanced bolt and had about 500+ rounds. I only used non corrosive ammo. I had no issues with steel mags, but some of the pmags were pinned to with too tight of a tolerance and you could fit 5 rounds, but once you try to chamber a round it would fail to go into full battery. Wanted to keep it, but had to free up funds.

What's the difference between the original and 'enhanced' bolt?
 
Wolverine Supplies released one of their QD reviews on this rifle today. I appreciated their honesty in the review. They state they will be following up with the manufacturer and trying to correct issues they had

 
Wolverine Supplies released one of their QD reviews on this rifle today. I appreciated their honesty in the review...

Yeh, I don't feel so bad about the butt stock being put on crooked on my ChiCOM T-81 after watching that dumpster fire :HR:
 
So, I originally sighted this rifle in when I got it at somewhere between 30 and 50 yards, and noticed at the time that it was shooting to the right of where I would have expected based on both the iron sights and optic I had installed. I didn't think much of it, and adjusted the optic to match the point of impact. However, after seeing a post by Wolverine Supplies yesterday noting that their barrel was not aligned properly, I took a closer look at mine, and the barrel is visibly canted to the right when compared to the handguard. I took it out again today and tried it at 100 and 200 yards, and despite it being zeroed as it was, it is shooting quite a bit right at 100, and considerably farther to the right at 200 yards. It's not as far off target as Wolverine's seems to be, but it's still not hitting anywhere near where it should be.

I contacted M+M this afternoon - I'll let y'all know how well they stand behind their product!!
 
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What is that weird noise after each shot? Is this the mandatory pause you have to wait for system until you can shoot again? Cool looking gun though.
 
This is my response from M+M regarding my query on the barrel alignment issue and function on the lower gas setting:

Sherrina (CSA Admin) (M+M Industries)
Apr 7, 2022, 2:55 PM MDT
Hi ,

I'm sorry to inform you of this but since you have made your own modifications to your rifle, you have voided any possible warranty ��️

You can loosen the handguard via unscrewing the hinge pin screw and grub screw at the bottom of the handguard and readjusting it to a better position. ( when placing the grub screw back in, it must be torque to 50in/lbs.

Thank you.

The "modifications" made to the rifle that they are referring to is the removal of a couple of coils from the firing pin spring.
 
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This is my response back to them:

Hi Sherrina,

You're kidding me. I modified the spring on the firing pin, and that voids any warranty for barrel alignment along with the issues that existed prior to the modification? That's like saying I've voided the engine warranty on my new car because I replaced the battery. If I had taken a dremel to the feed ramps, or drilled out the gas port, I could understand your position. This, conversely, looks more like you are taking an opportunity to use any excuse not to support an end user.

I really WANT to like this rifle, and I think it has great potential, as shown in my comments in my ongoing review of the rifle on CanadianGunNutz:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...and-the-bad-Round-count-375ish-UPDATE-POST-14

Whether or not you choose to stand behind your product is, of course, your choice. I would have expected you to see this as an opportunity to reassure potential Canadian buyers that they can expect support if there are issues, not that you are quick to find any reason to abandon them. I'll be updating my review of the rifle for Canadian firearm owners as I run more rounds through the rifle, and updating them on my customer service experience, whichever way things go.


Based on my serial number, can you let me know whether the bolt assembly I have is the latest version? Whether or not you are going to support me under warranty, if it is not I'd be interested in purchasing the newest version to see if the rifle functions better on the lower gas port setting. Also, any feedback your engineers have on my function issues on the lower gas setting would be appreciated.


I'll try adjusting the handguard as you suggested below. Well, assuming that doing so doesn't even further void my warranty, anyway.


Thanks,


I'll provide any updates I get as to my customer service experience. So far, they're scoring about a 2 out of 10!
 
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