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Yeh, I don't feel so bad about the butt stock being put on crooked on my ChiCOM T-81 after watching that dumpster fire
My t81 has a crooked stock too, but I couldn’t care less !
M10X-Z experience - the good and the bad. 375 rounds UPDATES POSTS 14, 17, 18, 56, 63
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My t81 has a crooked stock too, but I couldn’t care less !
That is awesome for you, but this is a discussion about the M10X. Anything useful to add?
My latest response from M+M:
So far, aside from the initial correspondence regarding the voided warranty, M+M customer service has been pretty good.
They haven't yet offered any assistance regarding the canted barrel issue, aside from adjusting the grub screw, but we shall see what comes of that. Aside from replacing the upper receiver I don't think there IS a fix. Hopefully at some point they'll acknowledge the issue with the cockeyed alignment of the barrel in the receiver and just send me a replacement receiver so I can swap the barrel! Given that my rifle functions fine on setting 2 I'd be hesitant to send them my upper receiver and barrel for replacement, for fear that I'd get an upper assembly with issues.
Their willingness to supply parts to deal with the other issues is promising...
So far, aside from the initial correspondence regarding the voided warranty, M+M customer service has been pretty good.
They haven't yet offered any assistance regarding the canted barrel issue, aside from adjusting the grub screw, but we shall see what comes of that. Aside from replacing the upper receiver I don't think there IS a fix. Hopefully at some point they'll acknowledge the issue with the cockeyed alignment of the barrel in the receiver and just send me a replacement receiver so I can swap the barrel! Given that my rifle functions fine on setting 2 I'd be hesitant to send them my upper receiver and barrel for replacement, for fear that I'd get an upper assembly with issues.
Their willingness to supply parts to deal with the other issues is promising...
The M10X is a frustrating enigma of a firearm. Based on the specs and manufacturer's description, you'd think that the M10X is God's gift to the world of military firearms. Less than half the parts of an AKM, The M10X was supposed to be an amalgam of the best parts of the SIG 550, AK and FAL, all rolled into one rifle that would be better than the sum of its design influences. Sadly, inconsistent manufacture, poor QC and some questionable design decisions (eg. the Grubb Screw) have given the rifle a very mixed reputation in Canada. One could reasonably say that we typically only hear from those dissatisfied with their rifles for one reason or another, whereas the majority of owners simply get on with enjoying their fully-functional M10X rifles. However, the sheer number of complaints emananting from a miniscule market such as Canada leaves one naturally curious about the truth behind the M10X's various issues. Are we M10X owners on the receiving end of fundamental design flaws (Flying Charging Handles, inconstent Trigger pull weights)? Metallurgy problems (at least one blown Gas Tube that I am aware of)? Inconstent tooling (crooked barrel threading in some Trunnions, very poor accuracy of 6-8 MOA)? Poor QC (failure to capture any of the above). All of these issues and possibly more?
As I said, the M10X is a frustrating enigma of a rifle. I really wanted to like it when I first read the spec-sheet and manufacturer propaganda. It certainly looks the part! But alas, I have encountered unacceptable reliability with my brand-new, (then) unfired rifle. Combined with very poor accuracy ranging from 4 to 6 MOA with both Norinco Non-Corrosive Red Box and Barnaul llacquer-coated ammo. All of this leaves me disappointed and uncertain about attempting warranty service based on the numerous horror stories I have heard regarding North Sylva. Should I take the plunge and risk getting back a rifle that shoots worse after servicing? All I really have to lose is the postage to get the rifle to NS in ON, so I will probably send it away and hope for the best. I certainly won't miss it while it is gone based on the way that it was "performing". Underwhelming to say the least!
As I said, the M10X is a frustrating enigma of a rifle. I really wanted to like it when I first read the spec-sheet and manufacturer propaganda. It certainly looks the part! But alas, I have encountered unacceptable reliability with my brand-new, (then) unfired rifle. Combined with very poor accuracy ranging from 4 to 6 MOA with both Norinco Non-Corrosive Red Box and Barnaul llacquer-coated ammo. All of this leaves me disappointed and uncertain about attempting warranty service based on the numerous horror stories I have heard regarding North Sylva. Should I take the plunge and risk getting back a rifle that shoots worse after servicing? All I really have to lose is the postage to get the rifle to NS in ON, so I will probably send it away and hope for the best. I certainly won't miss it while it is gone based on the way that it was "performing". Underwhelming to say the least!
i feel your pain and others here posted the issues they had in the past. so what supposed to be the cream of the cream is more an oupsie. wish you all good hope and that the outcome will be great but knowing the history of the company (you all remember the one that worked for the frt and price gougin from ns ...) and of couse knowing what ns is doing with warranty service that is hard travel for most.
like many i was interested in the m10x but did not take the plunge.
will you all the best.
like many i was interested in the m10x but did not take the plunge.
will you all the best.
After looking briefly at the design of the Gen. 1 guns I assumed they would have gone back to the drawing board with that upper aluminum extrusion fitting over a steel receiver...it is a fundamentally flawed design.
It sounds like they just cut it back away from the gas block.
It is likely the source of most of the awful accuracy - surplus ammo notwithstanding.
It sounds like they just cut it back away from the gas block.
It is likely the source of most of the awful accuracy - surplus ammo notwithstanding.
My M10X only managed 2 rounds through it and now doesn't work at all. I even fully cleaned it (brand new gun) and there were metal shavings which I thought were affecting the gun, but it appears not. The bolt carrier gets stuck forward and the firing pin doesn't strike the cartridge hard enough (only leaves a mark). To get the unfired cartridge out each time, I've had to partially disassemble the gun. Just sent a message via the M+M contact form. I have to say, should have just got the WKC for half the price and it probably would have worked fine.
I haven't had my rifle out since my last update; since then M+M has provided a heavier hammer spring and a lighter firing pin spring. A replacement bolt is on the way, free of charge, as my bolt is apparently not the latest version. Once I get the bolt I'll swap the hammer spring, try the rifle with both bolts, and see what happens. I'm fine with it functioning as-is (on gas setting 2), but I'm curious to see whether it'll function on setting 1 with the new bolt, and whether the heavier hammer spring will affect function at all.
Fireflash, good luck with your rifle. Hopefully they take care of you. The variable QC is so disappointing in what is fundamentally a really neat design. I really hope they refine the design and their manufacturing.
Fireflash, good luck with your rifle. Hopefully they take care of you. The variable QC is so disappointing in what is fundamentally a really neat design. I really hope they refine the design and their manufacturing.
Replacement hammer spring was installed this afternoon. Much like a T81, the safety/selector has to be removed (punching out a pin on the selector is required), then the locking plate inside the receiver needs to be rotated up and out before the hammer pin can be removed. Reassembly is simple, but to slide the safety/selector into its spot in the locking plate, you need to separate the opening in the locking plate with a flat head screwdriver to get it to slide into place. Simple enough.
The new hammer spring is quite a bit heavier than the original one, but the trigger still feels smooth, light, and crisp. I'll hopefully have the rifle out sometime in the next few weeks to try it with both the original and replacement bolt assemblies, and see if it works as well or better than it did with the heavier hammer spring.
Updates to come...
The new hammer spring is quite a bit heavier than the original one, but the trigger still feels smooth, light, and crisp. I'll hopefully have the rifle out sometime in the next few weeks to try it with both the original and replacement bolt assemblies, and see if it works as well or better than it did with the heavier hammer spring.
Updates to come...
Hey, no, haven't had a chance to take it out. Life's been busy.
You'd think that after all these complaints, and the elephant in the room, they would just do the obvious and very slightly enlarge the chamber. It's highly unlikely that anyone is running premium brass cased ammo through the gun often enough for the oversized brass to cause as many complaints as a failure. The whole situation reminds of of the Lee-Enfield in WW1. The remainder of the problem could simply be the shortage of decent machinists as the Western world falls apart.
Honestly I wanted to give them as much as a chance and the benefit of the doubt that they're addressing this in good faith, especially given that they seem to try to be communicative. Like the obvious thing to do is to own up and just "Gen 2" the gun with design changes to fix the feeding issues and switch distributors, but it seems like given their responses on social media and how adamant they are standing behind the distributor's shenanigans regarding warranty issues and whatnot, seems like their hubris and/or greed is taking over too much.
Summers are always busy for me, but I'm hoping to get back out shooting in the fall. I picked up a Bren2 in 7.62x39, so I'm going to shoot the Bren2 and M10X side-by-side when I have some time. I'm actually selling my M10X, now that the Bren I've been waiting YEARS for is finally in my safe, but until the M10X sells I'll continue providing updates on it.
EDIT - the rifle's sold, so I'll be curious to see whether the new owner continues to provide updates.
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I bought the M10X as I had been dreaming for YEARS for a 7.62x39 platform with modern ergonomics - the Cz858 with a bunch of aftermarket part was ALMOST there (left-side charging handle, ambi extended mag release, bolt catch/release, and receiver-side-mount optic rails), but then they prohibited the damn thing. T81 isn't remotely what I was looking for - 100% comblock ergonomics. M10X looked like a reasonable option, but without a last-round bolt hold open and bolt release, it was never going to be quite what I wanted.
Now, for those of you considering an M10X, I suggest you avoid the long, roundabout route I took - skip the other options and go straight to a Bren2. Mine has only got a few rounds through it in this NR configuration, but it's awesome. Seriously. The ONLY things the M10X has going for it over an NR Bren2 are the fact that you don't have to take the time, trouble and expense to have it converted from restricted, the overall price (M10X is 2/3 the cost), looks (the M10X barrel actually fits the look of the rifle), and the fact that Bren2 takes proprietary mags... AK mags in the M10X was nice, given how cheap and available they are. Triggers are another area the M10X shines, but the Bren2 trigger is pretty much as good.
Aside from those, though, the Bren2 kicks its ass. A bit pricey, but it's everything I've always been looking for.
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Now, for those of you considering an M10X, I suggest you avoid the long, roundabout route I took - skip the other options and go straight to a Bren2. Mine has only got a few rounds through it in this NR configuration, but it's awesome. Seriously. The ONLY things the M10X has going for it over an NR Bren2 are the fact that you don't have to take the time, trouble and expense to have it converted from restricted, the overall price (M10X is 2/3 the cost), looks (the M10X barrel actually fits the look of the rifle), and the fact that Bren2 takes proprietary mags... AK mags in the M10X was nice, given how cheap and available they are. Triggers are another area the M10X shines, but the Bren2 trigger is pretty much as good.
Aside from those, though, the Bren2 kicks its ass. A bit pricey, but it's everything I've always been looking for.
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I bought the M10X as I had been dreaming for YEARS for a 7.62x39 platform with modern ergonomics - the Cz858 with a bunch of aftermarket part was ALMOST there (left-side charging handle, ambi extended mag release, bolt catch/release, and receiver-side-mount optic rails), but then they prohibited the damn thing. T81 isn't remotely what I was looking for - 100% comblock ergonomics. M10X looked like a reasonable option, but without a last-round bolt hold open and bolt release, it was never going to be quite what I wanted.
Now, for those of you considering an M10X, I suggest you avoid the long, roundabout route I took - skip the other options and go straight to a Bren2. Mine has only got a few rounds through it in this NR configuration, but it's awesome. Seriously. The ONLY things the M10X has going for it over an NR Bren2 are price (2/3 the cost) and looks (the M10X barrel actually fits the rifle). Aside from those, the Bren2 kicks its ass.
aha h good shift but no more ak47 mags ...
I can still use them in my T81 though.
