Looking at purchasing a couple m14's from a local fellow. Question is, how can i tell if the M14's are classified "(12) 3" prohibited? Manufacturers are supposedly "TRW" and "Winchester" . I have yet to see them in person, but will be going to look at them.
M14, prohibited?
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If they're real M14 rifles, they'll be 12(3). Ask to see their certificates, or just look at the rifle markings. If they're M1A rifles they won't have the "fun switch" on the rear right side of the receiver, and the markings will indicate this as well.
-M
If they're real M14 rifles, they'll be 12(3). Ask to see their certificates, or just look at the rifle markings. If they're M1A rifles they won't have the "fun switch" on the rear right side of the receiver, and the markings will indicate this as well.
-M
i'll do one better- the list of prohibited manufacturers is springfield armories, trw, winchester, and h&r- yes' those 2 you mentioned are 12(3) s prohibs- the springfields that are not prohibited will say "springfield armories m1a on the receiver heel, not "U.S. RIFLE, M14, then the manufacturer( winchester or wra, springfield, harrington richardson, or trw ( triangle?) and then the serial number- also look at the rail on the right side- if there's a space in it about half-way back, it's a REAL m14- it's called a take-down notch- m1as and "civilain( norcs and others) don't have that notch
the lack of a "fun switch " is NOT a relaible indicator, as some m14s have had that lug removed and the accompanying bits(connector rod) and still are prohibs- however, any of the manufacturers listed above will tell you immedately
the lack of a "fun switch " is NOT a relaible indicator, as some m14s have had that lug removed and the accompanying bits(connector rod) and still are prohibs- however, any of the manufacturers listed above will tell you immedately
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To go into further detail of what t-star is saying, that list is in regards to specific designs that are named as prohibited (12(4) and 12(5)), and certain firearms that were not grandfathered. The other prohibited classes (12(2),12(3), and 12(6)) are catch alls for firearms that meet certain criteria for each class, so they don't list specific designs by name. Since the original USGI M-14 rifles fall under the "converted automatic" category, they fall under the 12(3) class without the need to be named specifically in the legislation.
Ok, maybe I'm missing a subtlety here, is the Norinco or Poly M14/M305 prohibited? I looked at the list noted above and didn't see anything in regards to the M14 (or maybe there is a variant I'm missing).
I was thinking of picking one up. And I have spoken to the firearms center in the past on other topics and I always get a half half baked answer
So I'd rather ask those that know ...
you can buy them for parts.first,have the receivers deactivated by sawing them in half(i know it's blasphemy but the parts are worth more than the gun).
the owner will have to call the firearms center and declare that they were
"dewatted" .
or let the owner keep the receivers for resale and "harvest" all the parts.
next,buy a chinese norinco m305 or m14s non restricted and install all the usgi parts on the 'rinco.
voila,you now have a 90% usgi m14(everything but the receiver) and non restricted too...
the owner will have to call the firearms center and declare that they were
"dewatted" .
or let the owner keep the receivers for resale and "harvest" all the parts.
next,buy a chinese norinco m305 or m14s non restricted and install all the usgi parts on the 'rinco.
voila,you now have a 90% usgi m14(everything but the receiver) and non restricted too...
no, the norinco is NOT prohibited; or even restricted; only those manufacturers that are listed that produced the actual "u.s.. rifle, m14" , ie springfield( the government armory, not the private company) harrington /richardson, winchester, and trw- this is supposedly b/c they are converted automatics; the m1a by springfield( the private company) and the norcs/polys/lrbs are maunfactured as semi automatics right from the factory: it can be argued that the m14 was NEVER a full automatic until you added the "kit" but our stupid government followed the us batf in declaring it to be a full automatic
but it's pointless ; been all the way to the scoc and they rejected the argument- however, you can harvest everything but the receiver, but be aware that some parts will require "fitting" to your chinese/aftermarket receiver- it's NOT just a drop in and go
but it's pointless ; been all the way to the scoc and they rejected the argument- however, you can harvest everything but the receiver, but be aware that some parts will require "fitting" to your chinese/aftermarket receiver- it's NOT just a drop in and go
Thanks t-star, though I missed something there...... Having said that and out of curiosity, I did have a second look at that RCMP document and couldn't find a reference to "M14" anywhere on the page (used the "find" option). Springfield is listed for other weapons, but no M14. Is there maybe a secondary listing? I did see my HK listed, along with a lot of others I recognize....
no, they're marked "u.s. rifle
7.62mm m14
and then one of the 4 mentioned manufacturers- h&r arms, winchester, springfield or trw, then it's a prohibited - it's the RECEIVER that counts- anything else is either not a real m14 or aftermarket- there are some fed ord out there that should have never seen the light of day, they're so poorly manufactured, and i don't know how how the likes of lrb, sadlak, etc are marking theirs, but i believe they're being manufactured as semi only, and are legit non-restricted
i got that right off my h&r, i'm grandfathered
7.62mm m14
and then one of the 4 mentioned manufacturers- h&r arms, winchester, springfield or trw, then it's a prohibited - it's the RECEIVER that counts- anything else is either not a real m14 or aftermarket- there are some fed ord out there that should have never seen the light of day, they're so poorly manufactured, and i don't know how how the likes of lrb, sadlak, etc are marking theirs, but i believe they're being manufactured as semi only, and are legit non-restricted
i got that right off my h&r, i'm grandfathered
that's b/c it's NOT in the document; it falls under the "converted automatic ' catagory that was a "catch-all" for the prohibited weapons; funny, first we had the f/a capability permanantly removed by welding the selector shut and removing the "hook" so the trigger group didn't mesh with the selector group on the bolt; this was done before the guns were imported into the country to comply with cfc/cbsc regulations; then we blocked our mags to 5 rounds to please the cfc; and we STILL got our guns PROHIBITED- so much for COMPLIANCE- WE STILL GOT SCREWED - and will again if the liberals get back into power- and there won't be any grandfathering this time
he won't have any luck there either- they've got a law that disallows the re-importation of military goods ( ie rifles) and esp machine guns- and the batf recognises the m14 as a MACHINE GUN- his ONLY option is to dissassemble it or to sell it to another 12( 3) holder
