M14 - Sage EBR Build

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I am new to this (seriously new as in never built a firearm in my life new) and have been looking high and low on how to do this with not much to go on.

Long story short - I will have a Sage EBR ALCS stock very soon.

I do NOT have a M14 in any form

What I want to know, can I buy a Parts kit from Wolverine and a receiver (undetermined source at the moment) and make it all work? or would I have to buy a norinco/DA/SA and swap from there?

Also, is there a reputable Gunsmith who could help with this? (preferably lower mainland)

End goal
-M14 18.5 chambered in .308 fitted in Sage stock that is reliable, won't blow up in my arms, accurate enough (does not have to be precision)

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On another note, are there any other places that supply M14 parts besides Wolverine? every where else I have looked appears to be sold out or is questionable.

Thank's for all the help, sources, direction, and anything else that would help me achieve my goal in advance :)
 
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Before you go full tilt into a EBR system keep in mind the chassis was designed for precision in mind. It's not a good "off-hand" platform. It's bulky, front heavy, and... heavy. Accuracy potentional is excellent and going half-qssed is a waste of money.

A XCR-M would be better choice for an "all-rounder" rifle of your willing to spend the money.
 
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As a newby I caution you against diving into the bottomless put of tinkering and spending money that is the M14 platform.

If you have the builders bug and are a first timer looking to build an intermediate caliber semi-auto DMR rifle, the Stag 10 stripped reciever set is where you should be looking. The build will be cheaper (parts and assembly), less technical (more standardized amd less tweaking), more accurate (for dollar spent), lighter handling (equals actually useable!).

M14's are not beginners rifles to tinker on if accuracy is in mind. AR10/15 are like lego.

Sorry to put a damper on the dream, sometimes best to walk before running and in this case you will have a better rifle for cheaper in the end.
 
M14.ca will be your best resource if you are serious about a build. Don't let others detour you if this is what you want to do. Hey man, it's your money, your interests, your dreams and not theirs. Too bad you are not in my neck of the woods because Barney AKA Tactical Teacher knows everything and anything about the platform. You can find him on this form if you have any questions.

As for advice... If I was doing the build, I would buy a cheap older m305, say around $400 and start tinkering and learning from it. I would throw the m305 on the EBR and slowly begin to switch out parts for better parts. That way I can take my time, don't have to dump a bunch of $$$ in all at once, learn and enjoy the process. All the replaced m305 parts can be resold. You can replace the less desirable parts like the trigger and op rod with a USGI and continue running the rifle with the receiver and bolt until you can replace those. Keep them as back up parts or sell them on EE. Stuff like that goes pretty fast if the price is right. Even at a low price, you won't lose money if the downer gun is in the $400 range. I mentioned an older m305 because the newer models have MIM parts in them that are not worth a damn. There are a few threads on here that you can read up on MIM parts. Good luck on your build and post some pics to keep us up to date on how the build is going. One thing CGNers love are pics of a build.
 
just buy a ready built rifle from m14medic and have him put it in a sage chassis for you.

or hit up wolverine for a ready built LRB m14sa and a sage chassis and yer golden.
There are no longer any M14 smiths in BC to send builds too.
 
if you absolutely have to have an m14 platform, see m14medic. it has a long learning curve. in your shoes, I would sell the accumulated parts, and get a Stag 10. don't bother with the $400 unicorn.
 
If you're going to spend that much on a stock do you really want norinco parts in it? I wouldn't.
 
1-trident-1 said:
if you absolutely have to have an m14 platform, see m14medic. it has a long learning curve. in your shoes, I would sell the accumulated parts, and get a Stag 10. don't bother with the $400 unicorn.
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Hutchy said:
If you're going to spend that much on a stock do you really want norinco parts in it? I wouldn't.
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^this
 
Thanks for all the replies. I’ll dive into this a bit more and I am quite determined to do this build.
Pics will come if it goes, might be a while might be not I dunno ._.
 
I have collections of M14 .


I love M14 style forever.



No offence but what you see as M14 EBR in games is not what you think in reality.

I built M39 EMR
Keriger barrel
Sage international
With all SEI parts and SB scope
HR bipod and all other parts are all USGI

Too big bulky heavy and shoots 1.5 MOA
And cost 10k Canadian

If you spent too much on video game and saw an icon of a gun and shoots great and made you a winner , letting you know in reality for M14 guys to shoot sub MOA is a challenge.

To build a M14 EBR make yourself ready to spend $6k CAN dollars no scope.

You can build your rifle with Norinco brand cost 700$ and buy the SAGE 1100$ ( I have the source ) and install follow the instruction ( I do not recommend ) or pass them all to a gun smith ( 300$) to do it for you.
Then is gonna stay in the safe forever.

The M14 style has weight problem .
Imaging EBR .....
 
The M14 receiver is the best the US could come up with in 1960. There have been better designs since then. That said, there is a tremendous amount of information on Canadian forums about how to make the Chinese copies run really really well. Tactical Teacher (PBUH) is the most generous M14 whisperer we have. He travels and teaches. I have done two of his seminars and consider myself more humble about M14/M305 as a result.

There are two other paths of least resistance. Buy a new build BCL 102 and turn it into whatever you want. Non restricted and it accepts almost every AR10 accessory sold. Or, buy a built precision M305 from someone who learned the lessons a decade ago.
 
The Sage stocks were and still are a pretty nifty upgrade and I think a lot of folks here were after them because the US military fielded rifles in them. I guess a few folks got them because of video games but my guess would be more because the US military used them.
I've built all kinds of these rifles, chinese and american made, into every commercially availlable aluminum chassis brought into canada, including 2 of the original , US navy seal models. I believe 11 of those stocks made it into civillian hands and 2 came across my bench.
The chassis was designed for the battle field and is just not so user friendly for sport shooting/hunting ect. It is a real nice chassis to shoot on the bench though and that's pretty much where all the aluminum chassis shine.
The troy MCS was one that I always had a weakness for right out of the gate and was fortunate enough to get one of the first ones imported into canada and it has the barrel tensioning aparatus for forward mounting instead of the two plates like the ones commonly imported here (model II)
It's a beast of a chassis though and it just feels like a door kicking , fire breathing battle rifle too me haha fuggen love it. This one dresses up my LRB m14sa 18.5"
AKM made a reasonably good chassis while they were still working with marstar back in the day. A blocky kind of awkward stock but on the bench they performed as well as any other chassis I have test driven or installed for folks. It's too bad that the first canadian chassis maker went into the wind. Never did get a straight answer on why they shut down ect ect.
Blackfeather...... I personally don't like these guys, it's no secret, but for the purpose of this..... let's put that aside. They make a nice product, very professional fit and finish. I'm not at all sold on the barrel tensioning deal and think that stuff is fixing a problem that doesn't exist ...... but I've never given them an honest shake with my bias put aside so ...... probably a lighter, more ergonomic and sports shooter friendly chassis.
JAE..... the lamborghini of m14 chassis.... you love or hate these ones but they are the only company to truly innovate the chassis mounting system and tensioning for the m14 pattern rifles. If I was going to work with a sniper rifle and i was deployed with an m14..... the JAE for this role would be my only choice.

xander customs..... never got a chance to play with one of those and I guess they were never really commercially availlable but neat nonetheless.... would have some collector value to some folks.

did I get them all?

any of the chassis are a big investment so if money is not an object , it can be a whole lotta fun pullin some of these toys out with your friends at the range. Sage chassis are also an easy install , no gunsmith required, just make sure the barrel block goes on the right way ;)
 
Chatrbaz84 said:
I have collections of M14 .


I love M14 style forever.



No offence but what you see as M14 EBR in games is not what you think in reality.

I built M39 EMR
Keriger barrel
Sage international
With all SEI parts and SB scope
HR bipod and all other parts are all USGI

Too big bulky heavy and shoots 1.5 MOA
And cost 10k Canadian

If you spent too much on video game and saw an icon of a gun and shoots great and made you a winner , letting you know in reality for M14 guys to shoot sub MOA is a challenge.

To build a M14 EBR make yourself ready to spend $6k CAN dollars no scope.

You can build your rifle with Norinco brand cost 700$ and buy the SAGE 1100$ ( I have the source ) and install follow the instruction ( I do not recommend ) or pass them all to a gun smith ( 300$) to do it for you.
Then is gonna stay in the safe forever.

The M14 style has weight problem .
Imaging EBR .....
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I got lucky with my EBR build. It cost me $3900 to build my US Army Rock Island M14 EBR-RI clone and it shoots like a laser with a standard chrome lined USGI barrel.

$1000 EBR stock
$300 cantilever scope mount
$200 Leupold MK4 rings
$1000 Leupold MK4 3.5-10x40 mil-dot
$1400 barreled action

The barreled action was built by a CGN’r with a Winchester USGI parts kit on a heel stamped Poly Tech receiver. Somehow he got this thing headspaced to 1.631.

I like it, it looks bad-ass, but it has limited usefulness and it’s damn heavy! If it wasn’t such a good shooter I would have parted it out long ago and bought something else.
 
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BeaverMeat said:
I got lucky with my EBR build. It cost me $3900 to build my US Army Rock Island M14 EBR-RI clone and it shoots like a laser with a standard chrome lined USGI barrel.

$1000 EBR stock
$300 cantilever scope mount
$200 Leupold MK4 rings
$1000 Leupold MK4 3.5-10x40 mil-dot
$1400 barreled action

The barreled action was built by a CGN’r with a Winchester USGI parts kit on a heel stamped Poly Tech receiver. Somehow he got this thing headspaced to 1.631.

I like it, it looks bad-ass, but it has limited usefulness and it’s damn heavy! If it wasn’t such a good shooter I would have parted it out long ago and bought something else.
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Oh yea,

Nice!,

But Like I said he can build it even less ,
brand new Norinco $700 approx
SAGE EBR $1100 approx
gun-smiting $250 approx

around $3K he can have one ,


10K CAN project including Forged new receiver and Keriger barrel and all SEI parts .

an EBR system or EMR most of the parts are SEI ( Smith Ent) and cost a lot to be close to EBR real ,

I think your prices are US dollar .otherwise you got USED parts like scope Mark 4 or really good deal , however that is an exception if you know the system and market , for a new guy is different
 
45ACPKING said:
The Sage stocks were and still are a pretty nifty upgrade and I think a lot of folks here were after them because the US military fielded rifles in them. I guess a few folks got them because of video games but my guess would be more because the US military used them.
I've built all kinds of these rifles, chinese and american made, into every commercially availlable aluminum chassis brought into canada, including 2 of the original , US navy seal models. I believe 11 of those stocks made it into civillian hands and 2 came across my bench.
The chassis was designed for the battle field and is just not so user friendly for sport shooting/hunting ect. It is a real nice chassis to shoot on the bench though and that's pretty much where all the aluminum chassis shine.
The troy MCS was one that I always had a weakness for right out of the gate and was fortunate enough to get one of the first ones imported into canada and it has the barrel tensioning aparatus for forward mounting instead of the two plates like the ones commonly imported here (model II)
It's a beast of a chassis though and it just feels like a door kicking , fire breathing battle rifle too me haha fuggen love it. This one dresses up my LRB m14sa 18.5"
AKM made a reasonably good chassis while they were still working with marstar back in the day. A blocky kind of awkward stock but on the bench they performed as well as any other chassis I have test driven or installed for folks. It's too bad that the first canadian chassis maker went into the wind. Never did get a straight answer on why they shut down ect ect.
Blackfeather...... I personally don't like these guys, it's no secret, but for the purpose of this..... let's put that aside. They make a nice product, very professional fit and finish. I'm not at all sold on the barrel tensioning deal and think that stuff is fixing a problem that doesn't exist ...... but I've never given them an honest shake with my bias put aside so ...... probably a lighter, more ergonomic and sports shooter friendly chassis.
JAE..... the lamborghini of m14 chassis.... you love or hate these ones but they are the only company to truly innovate the chassis mounting system and tensioning for the m14 pattern rifles. If I was going to work with a sniper rifle and i was deployed with an m14..... the JAE for this role would be my only choice.

xander customs..... never got a chance to play with one of those and I guess they were never really commercially availlable but neat nonetheless.... would have some collector value to some folks.

did I get them all?

any of the chassis are a big investment so if money is not an object , it can be a whole lotta fun pullin some of these toys out with your friends at the range. Sage chassis are also an easy install , no gunsmith required, just make sure the barrel block goes on the right way ;)
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100% agree ,

I think he needs to find himself first ,
shooting sport ?
video games?
or movies?




the only reason I have it cause I'm in love with M14 platform!
 
I thought Barney said something about M14s being bottomless money pits and pouring tons of time and money into them would only get you negligible gains, and the best way to chase accuracy would be a bolt gun? I may have remembered incorrectly though.
 
Chatrbaz84 said:
I have collections of M14 .


I love M14 style forever.



No offence but what you see as M14 EBR in games is not what you think in reality.

I built M39 EMR
Keriger barrel
Sage international
With all SEI parts and SB scope
HR bipod and all other parts are all USGI

Too big bulky heavy and shoots 1.5 MOA
And cost 10k Canadian

If you spent too much on video game and saw an icon of a gun and shoots great and made you a winner , letting you know in reality for M14 guys to shoot sub MOA is a challenge.

To build a M14 EBR make yourself ready to spend $6k CAN dollars no scope.

You can build your rifle with Norinco brand cost 700$ and buy the SAGE 1100$ ( I have the source ) and install follow the instruction ( I do not recommend ) or pass them all to a gun smith ( 300$) to do it for you.
Then is gonna stay in the safe forever.

The M14 style has weight problem .
Imaging EBR .....
Click to expand...

I love my M14, but this is a perfect example of what some people have said. I have a Norinco M14 with factory barrel, Sadlak spring guide and Wolff Spring, EBR stock and the best group I got was 1.75MOA.

Not sure if I want to throw another $6-7k just to chase that 0.25MOA. I've sort of accepted it for what it is and I still like it, but it probably won't be the first thing I grab if I want to shoot groups.

If you're looking for a local guy that knows his way around M14s, I hear there's a guy that works at DVC Indoor shooting range.
 
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