In Canada yes. They are non restricted and exempt from
Controlled goods due to being made before 1946. In the USA that is a class 3 destructive device.
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M203 Grenade Launcher Import
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In Canada yes. They are non restricted and exempt from
Controlled goods due to being made before 1946. In the USA that is a class 3 destructive device.
Controlled Goods usually catches things at the border. I had one dealer offer me a 50 foot container full of deactivated rocket launchers, missiles, grenades, etc etc from Czechoslovakia. Seems they got an import permit but they weren't control Goods registered. The RCMP was fine with everything but controlled Goods was not. It was costing them a fortune and storage fees so they gave it up. Unfortunately I didn't get their Friday message till Monday. It was history by then.
They have been known to track down and force owners of tracked post 1945 armoured vehicles in Canada to register with CGC. Yet they turn a blind eye to wheeled vehicles like the ferret as long as it’s already in Canada, but a new import needs to be registered. Kind of like their weird stance on GL’s. They seem to pick and choose what sections of the controlled goods act that they want to concentrating on enforcing. Here’s the thing if the police pull you over with a non restricted 40mm launcher but it’s not registered with controlled goods there is the potential for issues IF controlled goods decides to pursue it, or you refuse to comply and register it or a police agency starts putting pressure on them to enforce. I’m only talking Canada here not the US laws or US export.
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- Location
- Oshawa, ON
I didn't read the whole thread, but please read this one: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...gram-CGP-CGD-permit-for-grenade-launchers-etc
40mm launchers are both classed as firearms as well as destructive devices (i.e. controlled goods for Canada). For example, the M203 is BOTH non-restricted AND restricted, depending on how it's mounted.
To inspect, purchase, sell or possess a 40mm launcher you need a CGD/CGP permit (see above thread).
It's very rare for a civilian to get a CGD/CGP permit. On applications that have been approved the only valid reason listed has been "I already own one and want to get into compliance". If you don't already own one it's very unlikely they'll approve a civilian application.
37mm launchers have all been re-classed as firearms (non-restricted and restricted mostly, one as prohibited), but they are not controlled goods so don't require any special licenses other than your PAL/RPAL. Take the beautiful 37mm Tac-79 for example, prior to February it was a non-gun, exempt from being a firearm due to its main purpose as being a signaling device. Now it's a firearm (because it can fire "real" ammo with a 37mm to 12ga adapter), and restricted class due to telescoping stock/under 26" OAL. If you put a fixed stock on it and it was over 26" OAL you could re-register it as non-restricted. Remember that even registering it as non-restricted still means it can only be discharged where it's legal to discharge a firearm.
Be safe.
40mm launchers are both classed as firearms as well as destructive devices (i.e. controlled goods for Canada). For example, the M203 is BOTH non-restricted AND restricted, depending on how it's mounted.
To inspect, purchase, sell or possess a 40mm launcher you need a CGD/CGP permit (see above thread).
It's very rare for a civilian to get a CGD/CGP permit. On applications that have been approved the only valid reason listed has been "I already own one and want to get into compliance". If you don't already own one it's very unlikely they'll approve a civilian application.
37mm launchers have all been re-classed as firearms (non-restricted and restricted mostly, one as prohibited), but they are not controlled goods so don't require any special licenses other than your PAL/RPAL. Take the beautiful 37mm Tac-79 for example, prior to February it was a non-gun, exempt from being a firearm due to its main purpose as being a signaling device. Now it's a firearm (because it can fire "real" ammo with a 37mm to 12ga adapter), and restricted class due to telescoping stock/under 26" OAL. If you put a fixed stock on it and it was over 26" OAL you could re-register it as non-restricted. Remember that even registering it as non-restricted still means it can only be discharged where it's legal to discharge a firearm.
Be safe.
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- Oshawa, ON
See: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1700699-Anyone-reloading-37mm-and-40mm
The only "explosive" rounds you can shoot (without special permits) are bear bangers:
Other than that pretty much anything 1.5" in diameter is good to go, wood dowel, golf balls (with a lil sanding), EG smoke grenades, etc.
- Location
- Oshawa, ON
Yep. CGD only lists launchers that are "stand alone", can launch projectiles by themselves. Those attachments aren't on any controlled list, would probably fall under muzzle brake.
polskadude
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- London Ontario
I applied for Controlled Goods, Reason was to "get into compliance" and they approved my application, as a civilian. Documents came in the mail, certificate, number and all.
Im not the only one.
Was it for a Grenade launcher? Because I read the application and it asks you to name the item you wish to possess. If you put in “grenade launcher”, I imagine they would immediately throw your application into the trash lol.
polskadude
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- London Ontario
Yes, my application was for two 40mm grenade launchers.
I first called them and confirmed 40mm launchers are covered under the controlled goods program.
When I bought the M203, I signed what looked like a home made end user certificates, like someone mentioned above.. On that document it said the M203 is except from Controlled Goods. That’s not correct according to controlled goods help line. So I applied and got my permit.
Good to know, importable on this side is nice, but exportable from the US? Would ITAR cover that?
I don't think everyone quite understands how serious the export of these outside the U.S. really is. If only a handful of highly licensed companies in the US can own/sell these what makes everyone think the US State Dept. is going to lay down and allow foreign end users to have them. Even the rounds are registered and restricted.
If these were made overseas that's one thing, but judging by the pictures, posts, and comments in this thread these were all made in the U.S by U.S companies that hold U.S government contracts for LE and Military applications. I would be gravely concerned as company that facilitated the export or sale of these to end users outside the U.S. As an end user, depending on how you
deal with it forfeiture is the least of your concerns.
There is a Government Agency in the US called Blue Lantern https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/do...e-lantern/file who is currently investigating the illegal exports of these launchers and thermal imaging equipment into Canada.
There is a dealer in Canada who has already felt their wrath. Blue Lantern, is comprised of inner agency personnel, ICE, ATF, FBI, CBP, DND, and DOJ agents. It is extremely serious...
The IRUNGUNS Team
If these were made overseas that's one thing, but judging by the pictures, posts, and comments in this thread these were all made in the U.S by U.S companies that hold U.S government contracts for LE and Military applications. I would be gravely concerned as company that facilitated the export or sale of these to end users outside the U.S. As an end user, depending on how you
deal with it forfeiture is the least of your concerns.
There is a Government Agency in the US called Blue Lantern https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/do...e-lantern/file who is currently investigating the illegal exports of these launchers and thermal imaging equipment into Canada.
There is a dealer in Canada who has already felt their wrath. Blue Lantern, is comprised of inner agency personnel, ICE, ATF, FBI, CBP, DND, and DOJ agents. It is extremely serious...
The IRUNGUNS Team
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There was a large number of these surplussed by Israel many years ago, assuming they weren't past their "best before" date (sarcasm) they're still out there. I do know that many of these entered Canada, quite legally
Keep in mind a few years ago there was no regulations on 40mm or 37mm in Canada. It started when strangeday lost a 6 shot grenade launcher in the mail and reported it to the police. Who then #### their pants that they existed in civilians hands.
Ive owned those also in the past. Beat up ex IDF launchers. There was one for sale at an online Canadian militaria dealer last year (not registered with controlled goods) A few years ago (less than 5) I found an LMT M203 AR-15 interface 40mm shorty, new for sale at a gunshop in Edmonton with the original invoice from ###x. This is funny, when I brought up my concerns about ITAR, US EXPORT and the controlled goods directorate I got #### all over in the 40mm launcher thread when these were for sale at CGN dealers.
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would love to get Colt's 37mm M203:
https://soldiersystems.net/2017/11/08/colt-m203-37mm-grenade-launchers/
https://soldiersystems.net/2017/11/08/colt-m203-37mm-grenade-launchers/
Guys have tried to bypass the US ITAR before by taking 40mm Launchers with 37mm barrels and calling them FLARE LAUNCHERS. The receiver is still a 40mm receiver and is capable of accepting a 40mm barrel. By being 37mm smooth bore in the USA this makes them exempt from DD status, the doesnt necessarily change what the receivers are for export or what CGC would consider the receiver to be. 40mm rifled GL barrels are controlled for export under ITAR as well. FYI if you own a non class 3 37mm M203 and possess a 40mm barrel that is capable of being installed on that receiver and you can be charged (IN THE USA). Also, In the USA if you manufacture anti personal rounds like shotgun rounds etc and fire from a 37mm launcher you own you have just created a destructive device and can be charged. Kind of like if you live in the USA and possess both an AR-15 and a non registered DIAS. It doesn't have to be installed in the gun for the ATF to throw the book at you.
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Thanks for THIS info.
