M305 Bolt Failure
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Here is a picture of my bolt after about 600 rounds. It looks to have a decent amount of contact surface on both the right and left lugs. Maybe one of the more experienced guys here can chime in and let me know their thoughts. I don`t think I need to do any lapping of the bolt lugs really, looks to be good support on both sides. As well, with my 16 thou over headspace according the almighty Hungry, I don`t want the bolt going any farther back than it already is. Thx.....
Ardent
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Don't forget the shotguns...
OccasionallyOnTarget
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Yikes
boss351cleveland
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How about you take that ammo and shove it up your momas ass .. I will buy the guns i want to buy without caring ignorant people like you say.
LordEvilPepper
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soo... its ok to gamble with the safty of a gun, but not the ammo... even though the result might be the exact same?
boss351cleveland
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Oh look who it is again ? trolling m305 threads again to talk trash. Springfield must have you on the payroll lol.. Its ok to buy whatever the #### i want because its a free market , your BS will never convince me otherwise .. BTW lets see some pics of your rifles that supposedly blew up ? Why did you never post a thread or post pics? I call BS .. You sure talk alot of crap with nothing to back it up .. your just a spammer troll in my opinion , would never take your advice ..
LordEvilPepper
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Same thread.... i have posted pics of the head space and of my second gun. And I'm pritty sure I have gone into detail about the first right from the day it blew up in my face, it was sold as is for parts and found a new home were it was rebarreled with a new bolt. But even discounting my horendious experiences with Norinco m305's, there is thread after thread of peole with issues ranging from oprods slopping willy nilly, broken pieces, sear failure, poor assembly that makes the gun all but unusable, cracked receivers, dangerous headspace, broken parts, and guns that exploded. I geuss all those people are liars and spammers as well right? same with all the people that posted the the same issues on other forums like m14forum.com
Although I geuss you never realy read my posts because you would know I actualy endorse LRB arms not springfield as the modern M14 of choice...
Here is a picture of my bolt after about 600 rounds. It looks to have a decent amount of contact surface on both the right and left lugs. Maybe one of the more experienced guys here can chime in and let me know their thoughts. I don`t think I need to do any lapping of the bolt lugs really, looks to be good support on both sides. As well, with my 16 thou over headspace according the almighty Hungry, I don`t want the bolt going any farther back than it already is. Thx.....
When you guys are done flaming each other, maybe you can take a look at my photo and tell me what you think!
Wow, gotta wonder how many soldiers in the Chinese People Liberation Army have had their issue rifles explode on their faces!!!
Its ok I guess because they only have a billion troops in their military
Here is a picture of my bolt after about 600 rounds. It looks to have a decent amount of contact surface on both the right and left lugs. Maybe one of the more experienced guys here can chime in and let me know their thoughts. I don`t think I need to do any lapping of the bolt lugs really, looks to be good support on both sides. As well, with my 16 thou over headspace according the almighty Hungry, I don`t want the bolt going any farther back than it already is. Thx.....
Looks like normal wear to me, even on both sides. What standard was you head space measured to?
A word to the wise is sufficient.
I don't know how you do things in Brakendale but here that would not be an acceptable means of disposal.
It's getting a little heated in here, and that's not particularly helpful for anyone.
What the anti-Norc fear-mongorers need to understand is that the rest of us aren't idiots. Buying Norinco rifles can be a little more of a quality control gamble than most other manufacturers (though not often by much, these days *cough*Marlin*cough*), but if you're diligent about inspecting them and ensuring the critical bits are within spec they're no less safe than any other new rifle. I don't care who built it, I inspect every new firearm I buy for manufacturer defects, and so should everyone. Right now I'd trust any of my M305s (with many hundreds of rounds downrange and no signs at all of soft bolts, receivers or other critical parts) way over an out-of-the-box Springfield (or even an LRB, until I'd inspected and tested it myself). Condescending histrionics and overblown portents of inevitable doom just make it sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about - clearly if they were such death-traps there'd be thousands of dead or maimed shooters across the country. I'd like someone to show me even one death or serious injury (lost finger, eye, maimed hand, anything like that) that can be attributed to the failure of an M305 (even if it was caused by filling a .308 case with pistol powder by accident). Maybe I'm just unaware of them, I'd honestly be interested to hear of any.
Like it or not, this sub-forum might as well be called "Norinco M305s", and with such overwhelming representation of one particular manufacturer's one particular rifle, naturally most of the troubles people run into will be with...guess what...Norinco M305s. I'd be very surprised if there were more than a hundred LRB M14s in Canada at all, or much more than a few hundred M1As, so there's not likely going to be a lot of people talking about issues they're having with them. It's a bit of a different story on American sites like m14forum.com where Springfield problems are rampant, even some LRB owners have issues, and *gasp* 20-something-year-old Norincos and Polytechs are given a considerable amount of respect for the merits they possess.
I think LRB makes a great rifle, and so far I haven't met a Springfield I didn't like, but my Norincos are safe, reliable, fun to shoot and ugly like me - and cost nine grand less to outfit than three LRBs - what more could I want?
What the anti-Norc fear-mongorers need to understand is that the rest of us aren't idiots. Buying Norinco rifles can be a little more of a quality control gamble than most other manufacturers (though not often by much, these days *cough*Marlin*cough*), but if you're diligent about inspecting them and ensuring the critical bits are within spec they're no less safe than any other new rifle. I don't care who built it, I inspect every new firearm I buy for manufacturer defects, and so should everyone. Right now I'd trust any of my M305s (with many hundreds of rounds downrange and no signs at all of soft bolts, receivers or other critical parts) way over an out-of-the-box Springfield (or even an LRB, until I'd inspected and tested it myself). Condescending histrionics and overblown portents of inevitable doom just make it sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about - clearly if they were such death-traps there'd be thousands of dead or maimed shooters across the country. I'd like someone to show me even one death or serious injury (lost finger, eye, maimed hand, anything like that) that can be attributed to the failure of an M305 (even if it was caused by filling a .308 case with pistol powder by accident). Maybe I'm just unaware of them, I'd honestly be interested to hear of any.
Like it or not, this sub-forum might as well be called "Norinco M305s", and with such overwhelming representation of one particular manufacturer's one particular rifle, naturally most of the troubles people run into will be with...guess what...Norinco M305s. I'd be very surprised if there were more than a hundred LRB M14s in Canada at all, or much more than a few hundred M1As, so there's not likely going to be a lot of people talking about issues they're having with them. It's a bit of a different story on American sites like m14forum.com where Springfield problems are rampant, even some LRB owners have issues, and *gasp* 20-something-year-old Norincos and Polytechs are given a considerable amount of respect for the merits they possess.
I think LRB makes a great rifle, and so far I haven't met a Springfield I didn't like, but my Norincos are safe, reliable, fun to shoot and ugly like me - and cost nine grand less to outfit than three LRBs - what more could I want?
Without trying too hard I can count 4 people on this thread who had a Norc blow up in their face. I'm one of them.
My conscious is clear after I warn people that their toy may have some serious safety problems. After that, do what you want. Just give me a minute to move if you set up next to me at the range.
My conscious is clear after I warn people that their toy may have some serious safety problems. After that, do what you want. Just give me a minute to move if you set up next to me at the range.
Ardent
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Pop, in fairness your take on Norcs is just the same stuff repeated about them at length. Fact remains no other manufacturer has dozens of serious failures (as bad as barrels flying down range, and drawing blood even in this very thread) reported on this site alone; Norinco does with dozens more people don't mention, or that occur to non-CGNers (still the majority of shooters in Canada by far).
They are not the same as any other budget manufacturer, they vye for worst by good measure, and are actually dangerous to the shooters and those close by. I too wouldn't want a Norc set up beside me at a range, and this isn't a silly concern. The energy involved in firing a round is immense, and a failure can easily kill a person. Finally, safety inspections on Norcs will always turn up issues, mine did. Whether you want to ignore excessive headspace as normal (it's not!), bolt setback as normal, fire control issues, improperly indexed barrels (standard on Norc) as minor issues to save $1500 is your prerogative. Just don't go writing on a public forum they're good to go and you can tell visually if they have issues. It's unfair to those unfamiliar.
Finally, how do you check metallurgy visually Pop? Likely the number one concern with failed barrels and bolts occuring.
They are not the same as any other budget manufacturer, they vye for worst by good measure, and are actually dangerous to the shooters and those close by. I too wouldn't want a Norc set up beside me at a range, and this isn't a silly concern. The energy involved in firing a round is immense, and a failure can easily kill a person. Finally, safety inspections on Norcs will always turn up issues, mine did. Whether you want to ignore excessive headspace as normal (it's not!), bolt setback as normal, fire control issues, improperly indexed barrels (standard on Norc) as minor issues to save $1500 is your prerogative. Just don't go writing on a public forum they're good to go and you can tell visually if they have issues. It's unfair to those unfamiliar.
Finally, how do you check metallurgy visually Pop? Likely the number one concern with failed barrels and bolts occuring.
