When you buy chinese for a fraction of the price of the real deal, just go into the relationship with the mentality that she's going to need some tlc. With any product you can get defects that should not have passed qc, then multiply the odds by 10. My 07 m14s had a gas cylinder, barrel and a flash hider that were bored out off centre, and a bad rear sight. Despite all this it worked fine...of course I couldn't live with it like that, but in the end I have still spent less then buying buying the real thing.
M305 Fear Mongering/mis information
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I always love the M305 /M14, etc. threads. It's like a family reunion full of drunk fighting cousins.
Personally I choose appropriate ammunition, and I have not had a single problem with any of mine (2009, 2011, 2012).
Personally I choose appropriate ammunition, and I have not had a single problem with any of mine (2009, 2011, 2012).
^ X2 At least we arnt as bad as some of the AR forum catfights ..., And working on them is half the fun for me .
After going to a few of Barneys clinics I am a big fan of these rifles and I am now back up to owning 3 of them again as well . LOL
After going to a few of Barneys clinics I am a big fan of these rifles and I am now back up to owning 3 of them again as well . LOL
LordEvilPepper
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thanks for the ad hominem attack to try to discredit me instead of addressing the issues I have personally seen with these rifles.
I warn my friends to stay away from these guns, or at least bring me along so i can look at it at the store with them before they buy a dead baby. but they just go buy one, often one of the guns leftover after those who know what they are looking for have picked through them (when they say things like "it was the last one left in the whole store!" you know thats exactly the case). What then happens is the guns has issues, that they bring to me before the range (if they bothered to watch a few Utube how to videos on testing and maintenance and realized that their new gun just failed something basic like a tilt test), or after a complete waste of a range day and dump it on my door for me to fix since I'm the only one with the tools and mechanical aptitude to do it without dropping it at a actual gun smith or mailing it off.
I'm not going to turn friends away, but god I'm sick of fixing these things because the factory couldn't be bothered to make a working gun. On that last one when I can Fing see the oprod has a 10 degree bend to it... why the F$$$ did that piece go out the door of the factory? literally it was force fit on the gun; you had to man handle it to #### it, and the rod was doing its best to escape the receiver the whole time. I had to physically modify the gas tube so it would do its job and work... combine that with the fact the head space was so lose I could chamber a 7.62 field with room to spare... I could see the round in battery, and I could physically poke the round with a knife while the bolt was "shut". how safe do you think that gun is? even if it doesn't blow up I'm sure it groups just awesome..... and just what my buddy who has little money needs, a sink whole that needs $800 in parts right off the get go.
I compare this to people buying SKS rifles, but not inspecting it before they pay. Everyone knows that lots come with off kilter sights; and it takes 5 seconds to determine if they are so and move to the next rifle if your plan is to use irons. Then they go to the range and wonder why they can't zero the gun because the site is already all the way to one side... and they need to go further to get on target.
the "experts" want to pretend its all lovey dovey with these guns fine, but don't tell me that the guns are coming through my hands are fine when they have major issues that often require more then what the gun costs to fix, and in some cases have exploded . I don't like picking metal fragments out of my hand and face and I don't like internet critics then telling me that I'm over reacting to "minor issues" when clearly they are not. the "Experts" say headspacing is a non issue, when a gun blows up I consider it an issue, and when im handling guns with worse head spacing then mine that exploded... don't you think thats cause for concern?
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Are you saying the is PMC 7.62x51 ammo out there for sale? News to me, care to share, google shows nothing...yet.
I sure am no expert. But I loaded my own ammo with 155 grain Match Kings and H4895 and it has never run better. Shoots great. Could not ask for better. I have an ever increasing gun collection but I have to say the M305 is the one I am most fond of. The perfect amount of recoil with satisfying mechanical clatter of the next round being chambered. Its just awesome. I didn't know much before I bought it, but the one I bought is a 2009 that had been to a clinic and headspaced + unitized. It sucks that some have issues with this gun and it sours them on them. But with mine it really is one of the most satisfying guns I own. If it was crap I would probably look for a good american made one and pay the extra. I still may anyways.
LordEvilPepper
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the people who say that because they have dealt with hundreds clearly they are perfectly fine and that blow ups, parts failure and defunct rifles are user errors and that there are no safety issues what so ever especially for those that don't have the means to check critical dimensions on their own. Just shoot it and be marry!
sound familiar?
sound familiar?
I for one would love the ndt reports, I found a knife shop in Ingersol, ont who has the proper machinery to test hardness @ $91 a pop. But that's just hardness and not a metalurgical analisys. Canspec can do it for $1500 last I used them. I am sure there are alot of shops out there.
I am wondering, perhaps the importers should be performing these tests since some of the last imported batches have "allegegd " issues??
I am wondering, perhaps the importers should be performing these tests since some of the last imported batches have "allegegd " issues??
I would love to see these naysayers have to face Casey Brouwer,
they wouldn't last 3 minutes. As soon as Casey starts talking you know a Wayne Gretsky
of the gun world is in your presence and you shut your Cake Hole pronto and just listen.
Cant remember if it was Hungry or 45ACP who spoke highly of Casey but it is logged
on this site.
Huntsville guy looking for PMC I'm not telling until I've picked some up just incase you are a rich
guy who can afford a Famae 542 and leave none for me. The shop is one hour south east of you.
they wouldn't last 3 minutes. As soon as Casey starts talking you know a Wayne Gretsky
of the gun world is in your presence and you shut your Cake Hole pronto and just listen.
Cant remember if it was Hungry or 45ACP who spoke highly of Casey but it is logged
on this site.
Huntsville guy looking for PMC I'm not telling until I've picked some up just incase you are a rich
guy who can afford a Famae 542 and leave none for me. The shop is one hour south east of you.
You mean kind of like the guy that has had issues with a few rifles and condems them all and claims they are all sh*t and unsafe despite several gunsmiths (some who deal only in the M14 platform), competiors, users of thousands of them have had no issues. And that a lot of the "issues" that people have had are because of user error/ignorance of the platform. But some how its the guns fault.
Sound familiar?
Im not trying to contradict you, but I find this very interesting and would love to see pictures if you had any. I would really like to one day have a M305 rebarreled to .243 personally (dont laugh), and would be intersted to see more about the issues and warning signs of bad components are. Pics would be worth 1000 words.
You hate this thread due to the fact that you benefit from scaring people, has the Ontario Police
Force invited you in to set up there elite teams weapons?, I suspect not but they do call in
Casey Brouwer to handle the job.
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Actually Brendan, I refer folks to Casey on a regular basis.
I've got 20 plus years experience withe the platform. Fortunate enough to be schooled primarily by a former U.S. Armorer who served with the m14 and serviced the M14.
I have personally built M14 type rifles for private "military type" security outfits and have built and serviced a great many VPD officers personal and training firearms.
So long as we are keeping score
But, I don't like to brag about that.
The thread itself is a "schill" for casey at tac ord... Something that used to be frowned on round here.
The useless part of this thread is that it simply opens the door for more of this divisive and ridiculous discussion.
As for Brendan and his schilling for Tac Ord... Fill yer boots, I recommend his work as well. I'm sure him and I could have some very long and intelligent conversations regarding the platform.
I'm out of the business so am certainly not threatened by the guy LOL
I don't know how I benefit from "scaring people" and I feel that is a baseless accusation.
I, like Hungry and a handful of others over the past bunch of years have done our best to help others and share our knowledge, not spread fear
I dunno what's in the Kool-aid being passed around here lately.... But I'll pass
I've got 20 plus years experience withe the platform. Fortunate enough to be schooled primarily by a former U.S. Armorer who served with the m14 and serviced the M14.
I have personally built M14 type rifles for private "military type" security outfits and have built and serviced a great many VPD officers personal and training firearms.
So long as we are keeping score
But, I don't like to brag about that.
The thread itself is a "schill" for casey at tac ord... Something that used to be frowned on round here.
The useless part of this thread is that it simply opens the door for more of this divisive and ridiculous discussion.
As for Brendan and his schilling for Tac Ord... Fill yer boots, I recommend his work as well. I'm sure him and I could have some very long and intelligent conversations regarding the platform.
I'm out of the business so am certainly not threatened by the guy LOL
I don't know how I benefit from "scaring people" and I feel that is a baseless accusation.
I, like Hungry and a handful of others over the past bunch of years have done our best to help others and share our knowledge, not spread fear
I dunno what's in the Kool-aid being passed around here lately.... But I'll pass
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Mumbles Marble Mouth
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I believe the bad things about the Norinco M305 was to discourage people away from them so the M305 lovers could hoard them all for themselves.
Got a 2011 Norc M305 that's barrel was indexed properly and gas system is already tight, Accurate and my favorite gun.
Target of Norc M305, bone stock, 75 meters, 82 yards.
Got a 2011 Norc M305 that's barrel was indexed properly and gas system is already tight, Accurate and my favorite gun.
Target of Norc M305, bone stock, 75 meters, 82 yards.
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We should change your handle to "Casey's Bee-atch"
There have absolutely been some bad apples in the imports of these rifles.
It pays to be informed and thankfully those who care to skip the kool-aid drinkin and pay attention, can learn a fricken crapload about these rifles and their pros and cons.
BUT.... To all the guys who have had issues, kabooms or otherwise... WE HEAR YOU and are willing to listen to your story.... But leave the this why I hate norinco crap out of it.
This kinda sums up how I feel about the "are norinco's dangerous" ,
Well, back in 1993 it was a hot sunny august day and I went for a dip in the chilliwack river, got caught in fast water and next thing I know I'm way up in the air in a helicopter getting jump started on the way to the hospital.
Moral of the story, just cuz I drowned and got brought back to life, doesn't mean I need to go on swimming forums and warn folks that swimming in rivers will kill you.
True story btw
It pays to be informed and thankfully those who care to skip the kool-aid drinkin and pay attention, can learn a fricken crapload about these rifles and their pros and cons.
BUT.... To all the guys who have had issues, kabooms or otherwise... WE HEAR YOU and are willing to listen to your story.... But leave the this why I hate norinco crap out of it.
This kinda sums up how I feel about the "are norinco's dangerous" ,
Well, back in 1993 it was a hot sunny august day and I went for a dip in the chilliwack river, got caught in fast water and next thing I know I'm way up in the air in a helicopter getting jump started on the way to the hospital.
Moral of the story, just cuz I drowned and got brought back to life, doesn't mean I need to go on swimming forums and warn folks that swimming in rivers will kill you.
True story btw
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