M4 carbines

John

Never stated that i thought your product would be inferior. Not sure where you get that from, especially since I even stated that I never even considered that it would be. As for explanations, as I said, you really did not explain the differences, under the guise of keeping a market edge and so be it.

It now seems that all information to be had is had and I will make my decision based on that.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not a Marstar "hater". I personally appreciate that deals you have provided in the past and i have taken full advantage of them over the years. As a consumer, I want as much information as possible to make my purchase decisions and that is all that I was looking for. (If you want to know how long I have been a Marstar client, it goes back to before you even brought in Radom pistols, which I believe is 20 plus years, is it not?)

Thanks and I look forward to all the other products that will be coming in over the next few months.
 
Deckard said:
John is strategic. Why people have to know the ins and outs of the business is beyond me. Buy the gun. Shoot it. Clean it. Repeat.

Full stop.
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Ah, another individual who lacks reading comprehension!

Couldn't give a rat's ass about the in's and out's of the business. Marstar stated that their rifles are different and all I wanted to know how they were different. He doesn't want to disclose that and so be it. I will make my decision based on the information at hand.

Understand now? Full stop.:rolleyes: Carry on.
 
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I don't understand how telling us the differences between his rifles and his competitors constitutes revealing the ins and outs of his business? Isn't this kind of the point when you're trying sell a product? You let people know why yours are better than the others? Not just "ours are better but we can't let you know how because that's a trade secret".

I really don't understand the secrecy around this whole shipment. I'm starting to wonder if there is nothing different at all with these guns...
 
maybe John caught someone at the factory beatting his little brother, and he said "stop it" . his rifles are made with love! maybe thats the difference.
no offence John just trying to add some humour as most seem to be having withdrawl symptoms for the m4's and they just need there fix for the summer and want to spend their cash.
 
Deckard said:
:rolleyes: I am glad we can move on from this non-issue.
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The issue is that John is telling us his rifles are better, hence the longer wait time. We just want to know what is better/different on them. Other dealers have had them for awhile now so I think it would be fair to tell us what exactly is so worth the extra wait...
 
If John starts saying what his company wanted changed then other dealers are going to get complaints from people just like you RE why marstars guns are "better". Maybe it was as simple as an ejector spring, or a bit of parkerizing here or there.

John is being a fair competitor in my eyes
 
To jump in on one possible reason, the second mag that was supposed to come with the M4's was not allowed entry into Canada as it was considered too easy to disassemble and remove the pin. This is why the other dealers are only selling with one mag, and will mail out the second mag once it clears importation.

That being said, it sounds as if Marstar had issues with a production method or the like on a factory tour and wanted it fixed.
 
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OK LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN;
Say you were importing electronic equipement....
You have several competetitors in the market place....

Upon one of your visits to the factory you note a few things in the production that might, I emphasize might just raise a few issues down the road with consumers....

Since you garantee all the gear that you sell you decide to request changes that will avoid possible annoyances for your client, right ?

Let me ask you this, in the competetive market you are in, would you give all the other importers a heads up so they too could benefit from your experience ??

Of course my decision is only based on over 25 years in the trade

John
 
So with 25 years of experience you;

-revealed your price point on the item
-delayed the arrival of the item

which resulted in;

-other dealers matching your price point
-many marstar pre-orders being cancelled

Seems like a good way to lose customers to me; but please elaborate John.
 
Why do you seem to think that John owes you any sort of explanation for how he chooses to run his business? :confused: If you don't want to do business with Marstar, then don't. End of story, and leave it at that.
 
So I'll end up buying more. Having people match a good price is not a bad thing. It is good for us in case you haven't noticed. I opt for ironclad over 'everything we sell is surplus.'
 
You guys need to just trust John. I want my m4 more thAN anything and I could have gotten one by now, but I am waiting for marstars m4s because I know they will be better than everyone elses. And if they are not, well the. They are still guaranteed should anything go wrong.

If you don't like John or the way he's going about things, then **** off!

Myself and others in this board trust him and will continue to give him our business.
 
Buyers who want sales chat might best mosey to a storefront that will meet immediate needs. John is a volume Canadian firearms importer who takes the time - and trouble - to work a volume deal with the factory. John makes sure his customers will be happy with both the quality and the price. Why? Because Marstar GUARANTEES satisfaction on every purchase - or a NO B.S. refund provided. Quality and price. Personally, that works for me.
 
benmacksh said:
So with 25 years of experience you;

-revealed your price point on the item
-delayed the arrival of the item

which resulted in;

-other dealers matching your price point
-many marstar pre-orders being cancelled

Seems like a good way to lose customers to me; but please elaborate John.
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Im in no hurry.........id rather wait for a quality product then get it early and have to send it back.
 
johnone said:
Upon one of your visits to the factory you note a few things in the production that might, I emphasize might just raise a few issues down the road with consumers....

Since you garantee all the gear that you sell you decide to request changes that will avoid possible annoyances for your client, right ?
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Given the crap that comes out of China (not just firearms),
the relative complexity of this firearm,
and the assorted problems I've seen posted on CGN about manufacturing defects on chinese made firearms,
the only reason I'd considered buying this was that johnone required product reliability improvements.
I personally wouldn't touch the same firearm from another Canadian vendor.
Just my opinion of course.

CanadianReich said:
Im in no hurry.........id rather wait for a quality product then get it early
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Yep.
 
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