M4 vs 1301 for Bush bear defense?

Most of us on here have more than 1 rifle, so why not two shotguns? If one had a 1301 and an M4, he would want for nothing.
 
Most of us on here have more than 1 rifle, so why not two shotguns? If one had a 1301 and an M4, he would want for nothing.
For the money I would rather have just one of them plus an STF-12, Tacord 870 or some other premium pump.
 
Regardless of which shotgun you own, they're one the most versatile & powerful firearms out there in all situations but long distances.

Everyone should have at least 1 reliable boom, boom.

 
Beretta claims the 1301 will cycle 4 shots in under 1 second. If I were defending myself from a charging bear I think I'd go with whatever will cycle as many rounds as fast as possible. Beretta is conservative with their claim, when shooting our 1301s a couple of us have timed a best of 6 shots right at the 1 second mark

That being said, we weren't shooting slugs, so managing that type of shot string would take some getting used to.
That’s fine 4 shots in under 1 second but are they hitting what there aiming at with defensive loads such as buck and slugs. I could no doubt take a full auto m4 carbine and dump a 30 round mages in a few seconds also does not mean Iam gonna hit anything.
 
That’s fine 4 shots in under 1 second but are they hitting what there aiming at with defensive loads such as buck and slugs. I could no doubt take a full auto m4 carbine and dump a 30 round mages in a few seconds also does not mean Iam gonna hit anything.
Fair comment. All I was saying is the tool is capable....it's ultimately up to the user to wring out the potential.
 
If your gonna set up a running bear target before you start it running at you sling your shotgun and do 20 or 30 really vigours jumping jack then engage the target. That’s the feeling you’re gonna get with a charging bear with your heart rate elevated and shacking. Been there done the bear charge at me once two often. You don’t need a running target just set up a pop can at 50 yards then one every 5 yards from that in towards you get someone to time you and give yourself 5 seconds engage each can only once until the time is up. It works If your ever in an area and you see momma bear and cubs best thing to do is leave the area don’t even think of fireing a warring shot if there close cause if a cub cries out your dead I don’t care if you hit it every shot with whatever you got concentrate cub cries it flips that crazy switch in moms brain and well your dead
 
If I tried 20 jumping jacks I'd be at a point where I'd want the bear to just kill me and end my suffering. I've had a good run, no regrets now.

I better just stay out of the woods, what do I know about bears?

I do like these threads though, you get a mix of the naive new gun owners that are trying to justify their purchase, to the salty idiots that claim they've done everything so their opinion is the last word.

It's entertaining to be a member here.
 
One factor to consider, and which I haven't seen mentioned, is that the extra +1 pound on the M4 will reduce the felt recoil by a fair bit. Just saying.
 
Not sure how the plastic bits that attach the bolt carrier group* to the recoil spring/mag tube would fair in extreme cold. Not saying don't choose the 1301 but it's something to consider.

*no idea what it should be called


In addition to practicing, pick the right ammo. Federal Truball deep penetrator seems like a good option.

Rio Royal Brenekke seems like another good option

Then of course there are the Brenekke black magic.

Do you know of a Brenneke dealer here in Canada?
 
Rio Royal Brenneke you can find at Cabelas, I found the Brenneke USA Magnum Crush at Calgary Shooting Centre. Just a heads up, the Magnum Crush pack some punch but weren't accurate at all out of my short mossy so buyer beware.

I think it's because the slugs weren't stabilizing - maybe a combo of the short barrel and long slug. I will definitely try some of the other Brenneke offerings if I get a chance.
 
Rio Royal Brenneke you can find at Cabelas, I found the Brenneke USA Magnum Crush at Calgary Shooting Centre. Just a heads up, the Magnum Crush pack some punch but weren't accurate at all out of my short mossy so buyer beware.

I think it's because the slugs weren't stabilizing - maybe a combo of the short barrel and long slug. I will definitely try some of the other Brenneke offerings if I get a chance.

Must be a western thing.
 
QUESTION: Those who've bought a Benelli M4 recently, did yours come with only one choke tube? Reason I ask is that Cabelas was advertising a 6% off sale but it turned out the last one in the store, the floor model, only came with with one, mod choke, installed in the gun, whereas there was a cardboard holder in the box with 5 empty spaces. (My present M4 is bored straight cylinder choke, no tubes at all.)
 
QUESTION: Those who've bought a Benelli M4 recently, did yours come with only one choke tube? Reason I ask is that Cabelas was advertising a 6% off sale but it turned out the last one in the store, the floor model, only came with with one, mod choke, installed in the gun, whereas there was a cardboard holder in the box with 5 empty spaces. (My present M4 is bored straight cylinder choke, no tubes at all.)

Never mind, I find that the civilian versions do come with just one modified choke tube, installed.
 
Never mind, I find that the civilian versions do come with just one modified choke tube, installed.
I've bought several new, and all only came with 1 choke. Yours with no choke at all, is a fairly recent model? Had read they had changed one version (military issued I believe?) to a fixed choke.
 
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