M44 PU mount Project
- Thread starter Tucson
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Steamwhistle
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- Location
- North 'Berta
Looks like a good job! 
majormarine
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
looks like you tapping the rear plug hole? and u did it with the mount on? what is the purpose?
did u use a drill press for this?
btw, good job!
did u use a drill press for this?
btw, good job!
Well Skirsons, I can only hope that anyone doing a bit of research will figure out that the money spent vs the time spent vs the money recouped supports the "please don't butcher" plea!
(Or, alternately, that anyone not shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sight on a milsurp would not be allowed to drill and tap something )
(That, of course, includes me. But I'm working on it!)
(Or, alternately, that anyone not shooting 1 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sight on a milsurp would not be allowed to drill and tap something
)(That, of course, includes me. But I'm working on it!)
Maybe if you refrain from posting a thread about bubba-ing a military surplus rifle in a military surplus rifle forum you won't get any flack.
SW
well we all know that a 135$ M44 is a great peice of history...
wake the F-up... most of these repo are crap... Electro forced match peices of sh!t. Worthless junk...
SW
well we all know that a 135$ M44 is a great peice of history...
wake the F-up... most of these repo are crap... Electro forced match peices of sh!t. Worthless junk...
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well we all know that a 135$ M44 is a great peice of history...
wake the F-up... most of these repo are crap... Electro forced match peices of sh!t. Worthless junk...
That's your opinion, Tucson, and I have no problem with that. I may not share it, but that won't be a reason for me to swear at you.
- Location
- Pile of Bones, SK
well we all know that a 135$ M44 is a great peice of history...
wake the F-up... most of these repo are crap... Electro forced match peices of sh!t. Worthless junk...
Your description certainly fits now.
Neat, thanks for taking the time to post.
Normally I don't like it when people change up rifles into things they were not originally... but in terms of plentiful Ruskie rifles, I don't not mind, especially when the person doing the work seems to have taken his time and done a good job that did not ruin said rifle.
Nice work, and show us how you finish it up with the mounted scope.
Normally I don't like it when people change up rifles into things they were not originally... but in terms of plentiful Ruskie rifles, I don't not mind, especially when the person doing the work seems to have taken his time and done a good job that did not ruin said rifle.
Nice work, and show us how you finish it up with the mounted scope.
Without commenting on the ethics of this, why did you tap the rear locator pin hole? I see you put a set-screw into the hole, but again, I have no idea why you did that?
The original design was to pin the base to the receiver with un-tapped holes using a press-fit and to then drill and tap the screw holes, which you later did.
It may be you have some purpose in mind for this alteration, but you'll have to declare it to us because right now, I don't get it??
The original design was to pin the base to the receiver with un-tapped holes using a press-fit and to then drill and tap the screw holes, which you later did.
It may be you have some purpose in mind for this alteration, but you'll have to declare it to us because right now, I don't get it??
Possibly because it's easier? Just saying, mine was hard to set in place.
Personally I'd use a set screw with lock tite if I weren't going for original. Plus I accidentally drove the rear pin a minute amount too far, which was a bear to deal with because it hung up the bolt, can't be driven back because the reciever blocks it, and can't be ground down without a lot of touchy moments worry about dremelling the heck out of the inside of the bolt channel.
I do actually like the idea of a scoped carbine, if the gun is accurate enough. Looks decent, and way easier to manouver (spelling?) than a 91/30.
Then again, I don't like modifying any milsurps that can be refurbished to original. If I found an M44 that had had the Bayo lug CUT off already, I'd be happy to give it a try, as the gun isn't really restorable for any worthwhile amount.
Personally I'd use a set screw with lock tite if I weren't going for original. Plus I accidentally drove the rear pin a minute amount too far, which was a bear to deal with because it hung up the bolt, can't be driven back because the reciever blocks it, and can't be ground down without a lot of touchy moments worry about dremelling the heck out of the inside of the bolt channel.
I do actually like the idea of a scoped carbine, if the gun is accurate enough. Looks decent, and way easier to manouver (spelling?) than a 91/30.
Then again, I don't like modifying any milsurps that can be refurbished to original. If I found an M44 that had had the Bayo lug CUT off already, I'd be happy to give it a try, as the gun isn't really restorable for any worthwhile amount.
Maybe if you refrain from posting a thread about bubba-ing a military surplus rifle in a military surplus rifle forum you won't get any flack.
SW
well we all know that a 135$ M44 is a great peice of history...
wake the F-up... most of these repo are crap... Electro forced match peices of sh!t. Worthless junk...
They used to say that about the thousands of Enfileds and Mausers that flooded the marketed after WW2...Now worth more then some used cars.
Good job anyway.
At least you used a proper Russian style side mount.
Oh look! I scoped a Mosin. It's my hunting rifle. It turns animals into meat. It makes gongs go gong.
And when all is said and done it can be returned to it's former socialist glory.
But by all means drill an M44, they'll just make more.
But by all means drill an M44, they'll just make more.
Actually they stopped making Izhevsk M44s in 1948.
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinProduction.htm
I like the rifle. It looks like a fun project by the way.
I won't do that to a milsurp, but I certainly don't think any history was lost in this particular project.
He did a nice clean job on the rifle, which will take about 25 years to increase in value by the way. Another thing, if all of the milsurps coming into the country are kept original, they will always be as common as dirt. I can remember when the first big gun grab was authorised by the federal gov't, right after the FACs were brought out. They asked people to turn in unwanted firearms. Most of the firearms turned in were milsurps and single shot 22rf and shotguns. There were also some fine pieces turned in as well. I can remember, in the papers, pics of "artists" welding them together in different perceptions of reality.
There was nothing wrong done with this rifle. It has been turned into a "fun gun" that will probably see a lot more use than it did before. If some of you "purists" are so concerned about preserving history, why are you shooting these "valuable" relics? After all, every shot fired through the barrel, is wearing the rifle and will eventually make it unsuitable for anything but a worn out wall hanger.
Good job. I'm OK with the set screws as well. You weren't trying to make an original sniper, so it doesn't matter. It works and looks good. In this case that's all that counts.
I won't do that to a milsurp, but I certainly don't think any history was lost in this particular project.
He did a nice clean job on the rifle, which will take about 25 years to increase in value by the way. Another thing, if all of the milsurps coming into the country are kept original, they will always be as common as dirt. I can remember when the first big gun grab was authorised by the federal gov't, right after the FACs were brought out. They asked people to turn in unwanted firearms. Most of the firearms turned in were milsurps and single shot 22rf and shotguns. There were also some fine pieces turned in as well. I can remember, in the papers, pics of "artists" welding them together in different perceptions of reality.
There was nothing wrong done with this rifle. It has been turned into a "fun gun" that will probably see a lot more use than it did before. If some of you "purists" are so concerned about preserving history, why are you shooting these "valuable" relics? After all, every shot fired through the barrel, is wearing the rifle and will eventually make it unsuitable for anything but a worn out wall hanger.
Good job. I'm OK with the set screws as well. You weren't trying to make an original sniper, so it doesn't matter. It works and looks good. In this case that's all that counts.
In a way bearhunter, you do have a good point there.
I'm in the Museum business, and preserving heritage is kind of what I deal with on a daily basis.
As a rule of thumb, we consider that we can use specimens for research or education if this use will not risk, more than reasonably, altering the object permanently.
A vintage car Museum curator, with this rule of thumb, can take an old car for a sunny Sunday ride in the country side. But this curator won't weld a huge spoiler on it because it looks cooler and it's the trendy thing to do to blend with the young crowd wearing their baseball cap backwards.
Shooting a "relatively" intact WW1 or WW2 rifle, I consider reasonable; from one year to the next, or from one decade to the next for that matter, if the rifle is well cared for, wear will be negligible.
Drilling holes is, well, a slightly bit more noticeable and permanent. The problem, here, is that even if patched up, it's still too much of a modification.
Yes, I agree that there are quite a few Mosins out there (understatement), and that preservation of this planet's history hasn't been altered a great deal. But, even if the rifle sells well, even if it looks good, even if the work was done well (which was the case here,again I agree), the historical, heritage "###iness" has been drilled away, making that part of the whole milsurp thing lost for that one rifle.
I guess my point is that it's not because it's cheap or abundant that it should be considered insignificant.
Lou
Lou, I've seen pics of the work you've done. It's quite good in my opinion. I have to disagree with you though. If we were to save every bit of history, no matter how repetitive, the surface of the earth would be 3 meters thicker than it is. There is a limit to preservation of the past.
Now that the 7.62x54R is drying up, there will be lots of Mosins being relegated to the back of the safe or going cheap on the show tables. They have already come way down in price.
Another thing, as I said above, this rifle will see a lot more use in this configuration than it would if left in its original state. It's neither uncommon or rare, it is proving educational and fun for its owner at a really reasonable price. I think it's doing a fabulous job in its latest garb and may even peek more interest in milsurps this way.
Now that the 7.62x54R is drying up, there will be lots of Mosins being relegated to the back of the safe or going cheap on the show tables. They have already come way down in price.
Another thing, as I said above, this rifle will see a lot more use in this configuration than it would if left in its original state. It's neither uncommon or rare, it is proving educational and fun for its owner at a really reasonable price. I think it's doing a fabulous job in its latest garb and may even peek more interest in milsurps this way.
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