Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates

Brian46 said:
Putting together how, you are talking like you already have yours or a confirmed delivery date
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I'm waiting patiently in line just like everyone else. They will show up whenever they do.

Contort my words any way you wish if it's gunna make you feel better.

Reality is they aren't going to be stacking the shelves until production catches up and demand slows down. And judging by the number of pre-orders, that's not going to be any time soon. You're gunna be waiting a while for the shelves to overflow.

Don't worry, we'll let you know if it's worth your bother getting this or not.
 
Kind of getting tired of the fanboys.
I looked at the ATRS rifles. I'm sure they are very good. Too expensive for me.
When l saw the MacDef preorder l jumped in.
I'm fine with the design, and since I'm in no rush, delivery time is no big deal.
I find it interesting that ATRS is now going to offer a stripped receiver set. I thought they were against that.
I'll stick with MacDef.
 
1340 said:
I thought they were against that.
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Funny how the free market works eh? I was under the impression they were 100% against it, but once the BCL and SLR came out, it took no time before they told everyone about their receiver sets.

Before BCL and SLR, you can make a ton of money selling complete guns. Once these competitors came out, I bet the profit stream/potential evaporated overnight. Take the EE as an example, you see the same MH and MV sitting there forever, that should tell you something about the market direction.

Just my $0.02, I don’t mean to offend anyone. I’d buy a ATRS receiver set once they’re out, maybe two :)
 
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PinaKaleada said:
Funny how the free market works eh? I was under the impression they were 100% against it, but once the BCL and SLR came out, it took no time before they told everyone about their receiver sets.
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That’s the funny thing. It took asking by somebody else for this info to be released. But that’s kinda how a certain somebody operates.

Admittedly, the machinest make a good product there, but I’m in line for a Maccabee. Hell, I might buy the alternative if it comes out.

Word from owner regarding production of the Macabee is it’s going swimmingly. Changes are being made and production is continuing.

I’ll get it when I get it. Im not in a massive hurry.

I’m sure people will get pissy, but if everybody will remains reasonable and patient, I’m sure they’ll end up happy.
 
Shibby! said:
That’s the funny thing. It took asking by somebody else for this info to be released. But that’s kinda how a certain somebody operates.

Admittedly, the machinest make a good product there, but I’m in line for a Maccabee. Hell, I might buy the alternative if it comes out.

Word from owner regarding production of the Macabee is it’s going swimmingly. Changes are being made and production is continuing.

I’ll get it when I get it. Im not in a massive hurry.

I’m sure people will get pissy, but if everybody will remains reasonable and patient, I’m sure they’ll end up happy.
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It's how any business operates. The market for "hobby builders" is finite and small. $3K tax in is not better than what was already out there. A 102 in 308 $2K taxes in? Maybe, although 338Fed etc moves it to $2400ish+. Hard sell for me.
 
Brian46 said:
exactly^ no reason to put money down in a presale for something that is going to be produced and readily available for years to come.
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Of course those who put down a deposit are also assured they get their rifles before the shelves do.. Just saying.
 
PinaKaleada said:
Funny how the free market works eh? I was under the impression they were 100% against it, but once the BCL and SLR came out, it took no time before they told everyone about their receiver sets.

Before BCL and SLR, you can make a ton of money selling complete guns. Once these competitors came out, I bet the profit stream/potential evaporated overnight. Take the EE as an example, you see the same MH and MV sitting there forever, that should tell you something about the market direction.

Just my $0.02, I don’t mean to offend anyone. I’d buy a ATRS receiver set once they’re out, maybe two :)
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Another by product of the SLR, the ATRS and BCL 102 is that the price of other non res guns like the Swiss, Tavor, XCR, Famae, etc will plummet.
 
Kidd X said:
Another by product of the SLR, the ATRS and BCL 102 is that the price of other non res guns like the Swiss, Tavor, XCR, Famae, etc will plummet.
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You say that... but the M305 sks mr1 t97 mini14 mini30 vz58 etc..... have all been fairly cheap for longer than you have been on the forum, and premium guns still have their value.

I mean a savage axis can do sub MOA. But that hasn't slowed the sales of custom guns.. Cadex.. desert tech... sako.... AI.... Barret.....
 
Kidd X said:
Another by product of the SLR, the ATRS and BCL 102 is that the price of other non res guns like the Swiss, Tavor, XCR, Famae, etc will plummet.
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Don't think so. Add up the actual full retail cost of a complete rifle. Like saying buying a motor and frame is cheaper than a factory pickup. If you only add up sales prices, no shipping or tax on the small pieces, don't count tool cost, ignore how much each individual accessory cost when you originally bought it; sure it's cheap. I have a rifle that was $1600 used with scope ($450 value). New optic $1530 tax+shipping in, B&C stock $475 all in, gunsmithing $360, shipping 2X2w/insurance $70x4=$280, equals $4400ish-$450 from r the old optic. Almost $4K. There was it is. Most people lie to themselves.
 
####, forgot the 1 piece Talley rings. Add $170. This "mission creep" is why bobby building isn't cheap. Like a farmer who ignores the cost of the semi tractor and excavator he got 10yrs ago. Nothing is free.
 
Daver_II said:
You say that... but the M305 sks mr1 t97 mini14 mini30 vz58 etc..... have all been fairly cheap for longer than you have been on the forum, and premium guns still have their value.

I mean a savage axis can do sub MOA. But that hasn't slowed the sales of custom guns.. Cadex.. desert tech... sako.... AI.... Barret.....
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Some savage axis can do sub moa, in some conditions. And in case you didn't notice the high end stuff doesn't move that fast, so one of two things will happen, either the other guns will become rarer than hens teeth and exorbently expensive or to maintain sales prices will drop.

P.S. Comparing an axis to an ai is asinine. They aren't even on the same level.

And while I suspect some macdef builds will be crap with crap parts, I've priced out a mostly milspec build, and you can practically have an ar that undercuts the aforementioned famaes and tavor with full retail prices for the parts, and unlike your axis vs ai comment, those builds give up nothing to a tavor or swiss when it comes to build quality. Even more so if you are smart and buy the parts during boxing day sales. And supporting said gun is much easier because as I mention later, ar parts are EVERYWHERE. And frankly they are substantially cheaper than the propietary stuff in other guns.

If you didn't notice in the us the tavor costs 1600. And that's after IWI set up a factory there not just build it in their existing plant in israel. Tavors are rare enough in the us, how much rarer do you think they would have been if they priced it 2 grand in the us?

And for the other crap you mentioned like the t97 or m305, yeah... no one with more than room temperature iq wants chinese ####. And the rest didn't have the modern black rifle modularity... this does. And barring the vz58 the rest have virtually zero battlefield credibility. This has practically the entire modularity of an ar.

emerson said:
Don't think so. Add up the actual full retail cost of a complete rifle. Like saying buying a motor and frame is cheaper than a factory pickup. If you only add up sales prices, no shipping or tax on the small pieces, don't count tool cost, ignore how much each individual accessory cost when you originally bought it; sure it's cheap. I have a rifle that was $1600 used with scope ($450 value). New optic $1530 tax+shipping in, B&C stock $475 all in, gunsmithing $360, shipping 2X2w/insurance $70x4=$280, equals $4400ish-$450 from r the old optic. Almost $4K. There was it is. Most people lie to themselves.
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This trend already showed itself in the us, other than the receivers this uses all ar parts, very easy to source very easy to customize, and very easy to support... what's the most popular semi auto in the us? The ar
 
Hey R34

Stop pissing on my parade... obviously I know that it is comparing apples to oranges. But claiming that a slightly less expensive rifle will cause other rifles prices to drop is not the case.

Sure demand may drop short term... but it won't effect the prices too much... it will most certainly effect the used market prices.
 
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