Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates

Gatehouse said:
Forget it, that would be useful discussion and that’s just not going to happen now that we have entered the impatient pouting stage of the pre order thread.

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LOL. I been holding on to my AR waiting to see what can drop in. Got a S&W M&P.

Obviously the short barrel and reciver wont but what about the gas system and the rest of the parts?

And do i need a differnt gas system if i get a 18.5 barrel?
 
I think the bigger issue here is that people want their new almost AR15 without being on the new not a registry registry.
I don't know about all therest of you, but I am purchasing a lot of guns this summer, so that I am not on a registry coming the fall with any new non restricted purchases.
If Maccabee releases their product after c71 comes into effect, I am no longer interested for the very obvious reasons.
I think a lot of us are feeling the pressure to get this rifle in before the new law, thats where all this impatience is coming from.
 
I still have to wonder IF MDI really DOEs have a final FRT in hand? I say this simply as I know the guys at ATRS had to send a sample for exam every time they made a revision, just like they have had to do with the modifications they made to the MV to create the Modern Sporter. THIS could account for the never ending delays?
I know that the Modern Hunter has 2 seperate FRT#s. 1 for the prototype and another for the production units and there was a delay of several months while they waited for the final FRT to be issued.
 
bananarama said:
I think the bigger issue here is that people want their new almost AR15 without being on the new not a registry registry.
I don't know about all therest of you, but I am purchasing a lot of guns this summer, so that I am not on a registry coming the fall with any new non restricted purchases.
If Maccabee releases their product after c71 comes into effect, I am no longer interested for the very obvious reasons.
I think a lot of us are feeling the pressure to get this rifle in before the new law, thats where all this impatience is coming from.
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So if C71 passes, you will never, ever buy a new non restricted firearm again.

I guess that is your choice, but it really doesn't have anything to do with gun manufacturers.
 
CanadianBaconPancakes said:
LOL. I been holding on to my AR waiting to see what can drop in. Got a S&W M&P.

Obviously the short barrel and reciver wont but what about the gas system and the rest of the parts?

And do i need a differnt gas system if i get a 18.5 barrel?
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Strongly recommended yes. with a 18.6 barrel you want at least a midlength gas, ideally go for rifle length gas.
 
Gatehouse said:
So if C71 passes, you will never, ever buy a new non restricted firearm again.

I guess that is your choice, but it really doesn't have anything to do with gun manufacturers.
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I think the problem is that these were promised to be delivered a long time ago and it's just been delay after delay without any end in sight. I understand the guys not wanting to be on a registry and if I was on the waiting list I would want my receiver set before C-71 goes through. I don't trust our government and I don't want them to know what I have at my house unless it's a restricted pistol or rifle I choose to buy knowing it will be on the books. Non restricted and on a list just means that when they change their mind on the classification they know exactly where to come to take it away without compensating you for your loss.
In this case it does have something to do with the manufacturer, if they had delivered remotely close to their early ETA this wouldn't be an issue but with no end in sight to the just a little longer crap C-71 is getting closer and closer and I would cancel my order if it wasn't going to be delivered before the not a registry registry.
 
cr5 said:
I think the problem is that these were promised to be delivered a long time ago and it's just been delay after delay without any end in sight. I understand the guys not wanting to be on a registry and if I was on the waiting list I would want my receiver set before C-71 goes through. I don't trust our government and I don't want them to know what I have at my house unless it's a restricted pistol or rifle I choose to buy knowing it will be on the books. Non restricted and on a list just means that when they change their mind on the classification they know exactly where to come to take it away without compensating you for your loss.
In this case it does have something to do with the manufacturer, if they had delivered remotely close to their early ETA this wouldn't be an issue but with no end in sight to the just a little longer crap C-71 is getting closer and closer and I would cancel my order if it wasn't going to be delivered before the not a registry registry.
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Are you also someone that will never, ever buy a non restricted gun if C71 passes?


It really doesnt have anything to do with gun makers. All the guns available now and in the future will fall under the same umbrella. It’s really just something that a few people here have decided to jump on so they can stamp their feet a bit more.
 
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cr5 said:
I think the problem is that these were promised to be delivered a long time ago and it's just been delay after delay without any end in sight. I understand the guys not wanting to be on a registry and if I was on the waiting list I would want my receiver set before C-71 goes through. I don't trust our government and I don't want them to know what I have at my house unless it's a restricted pistol or rifle I choose to buy knowing it will be on the books. Non restricted and on a list just means that when they change their mind on the classification they know exactly where to come to take it away without compensating you for your loss.
In this case it does have something to do with the manufacturer, if they had delivered remotely close to their early ETA this wouldn't be an issue but with no end in sight to the just a little longer crap C-71 is getting closer and closer and I would cancel my order if it wasn't going to be delivered before the not a registry registry.
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They were not promised. Mdi gave an ESTIMATED TIME of DELIVERY. That is not a promise or guarantee.
 
AB_blaster said:
They were not promised. Mdi gave an ESTIMATED TIME of DELIVERY. That is not a promise or guarantee.
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I’m super happy the military, and the majority of the world doesn’t run off your definition of ETA.

Whenever asked an eta in the CF, it was give or take a few minutes. We also advised of any delays en route that would push back that eta as they were encountered...

Maybe that’s why I’m bitter because people like MDI and you have taken a legitimate definition and made it mean diddly ####.
 
koesdibyo said:
I’m super happy the military, and the majority of the world doesn’t run off your definition of ETA.

Whenever asked an eta in the CF, it was give or take a few minutes. We also advised of any delays en route that would push back that eta as they were encountered...

Maybe that’s why I’m bitter because people like MDI and you have taken a legitimate definition and made it mean diddly ####.
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Could you please define the word ESTIMATED.
 
koesdibyo said:
I’m super happy the military, and the majority of the world doesn’t run off your definition of ETA.

Whenever asked an eta in the CF, it was give or take a few minutes. We also advised of any delays en route that would push back that eta as they were encountered...

Maybe that’s why I’m bitter because people like MDI and you have taken a legitimate definition and made it mean diddly ####.
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Funny.... Any time I reported my ETA, and something like contact happened, my ETA changed..... same thing goes for MDI, a delay is a delay
 
koesdibyo said:
I’m super happy the military, and the majority of the world doesn’t run off your definition of ETA.

Whenever asked an eta in the CF, it was give or take a few minutes. We also advised of any delays en route that would push back that eta as they were encountered...

Maybe that’s why I’m bitter because people like MDI and you have taken a legitimate definition and made it mean diddly ####.
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Really? You have never had an eta for an ex especially an overseas ex get announced and pushed around and then cancelled out of the blue for reasons? Or pushed to the following year?
 
The reality here is that #### happens. I've said from the start that Macabee's ETA was highly ambitious. Not impossible, but was improbable. Unexpected issues always pop up in manufacturing, especially on a new production run. It might take X amount of time to make a part in low volume, but the ramp up can throw in big, unexpected problems.

Sometimes it's something completely out of your control. At a previous job, we once blew an ETA by 2 months because the main cutters we used were lasting a fraction of the usual time. This was a repeat part we had made thousands of before. It turns out the tool maker had used a different carbide supplier for the latest run and the tools were just a slightly different material composition. This took time to trouble shoot and figure out it was the cutting tool and not the machine, or material. It then took time to find a replacement cutter. It all adds up. You can never plan for that.

At the end of the day, the rifles will get here when they get here. When they get here, I'm certain the whining and crying won't stop because Canadian gun owns are all big babies with poopy diapers.
 
AB_blaster said:
Could you please define the word ESTIMATED.
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Certainly:
es·ti·mate
verb
past tense: estimated; past participle: estimated
ˈestəˌmāt/Submit
roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of.


Right from the dictionary.

So rough calculation. March... was an estimated time line. Great. They bit off more than they could chew... and had to go back to revise it.
Was 2 weeks really an ESTIMATED timeline or an outright lie?

Was it known well in advance the next timeline was not going to be met, or was it truly something that caused the delay?
Only Macabee knows the answer to that.
You seem to be on the fence that thinks they really truly did think 14 days more would make the difference - I fall on the side that calls bull####.
 
r34skyline said:
Really? You have never had an eta for an ex especially an overseas ex get announced and pushed around and then cancelled out of the blue for reasons? Or pushed to the following year?
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Many times... but communication is key.

Want bitter soldiers? String them along and watch the morale drain. It happens sure... sometimes command is ####ty, and that’s where the blame should go.
 
koesdibyo said:
Certainly:
es·ti·mate
verb
past tense: estimated; past participle: estimated
ˈestəˌmāt/Submit
roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of.


Right from the dictionary.

So rough calculation. March... was an estimated time line. Great. They bit off more than they could chew... and had to go back to revise it.
Was 2 weeks really an ESTIMATED timeline or an outright lie?

Was it known well in advance the next timeline was not going to be met, or was it truly something that caused the delay?
Only Macabee knows the answer to that.
You seem to be on the fence that thinks they really truly did think 14 days more would make the difference - I fall on the side that calls bull####.
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The bold is what you might be missing. ROUGH calculation. It is entirely ones personal opinion based on the information they have to provide an ESTIMATED TIME of DELIVERY. I'm not saying their choice in ETA was anywhere near accurate, all I'm saying is that MDI has made no PROMISES like you indicated in a previous post. What you said was disingenuous and a flat out lie. MDI has had several delays to do manufacturing issues and the like. Would communication be nice? Absolutely! Are they(MDI) obligated to inform Joe public about their issues? Absolutely NOT!

Wait your turn and get your rifle or get your deposit back. If you paid in full then I'm sorry you got suckered. Perhaps select a better vendor next time.
 
Rough calculation, ETA, communications...whatever.

Anybody thst has been paying attention should have known that new production anything and/or preorders always take a long time. ;)
 
Gatehouse said:
Rough calculation, ETA, communications...whatever.

Anybody thst has been paying attention should have known that new production anything and/or preorders always take a long time. ;)
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Absolutely true, especially for a new to the world product and a small company.
 
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