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So if they can't even give a rough estimate that's remotely close to a delivery date how are they going to handle building products to exact specifications?
And if they decide to just cut off communication rather than explain the delays how much support do you think you're going to get if you need warranty?
This is exactly why I refuse to do pre-orders. Once they have your money the incentive to deliver as promised is lost. Even if it's just a deposit they know they've got your business and no longer need to earn it.
Why can't they start delivering small batches? Are they waiting till they have 1000 units to ship? Is there a problem with the product?
Honest communication with the customer is key in building a strong relationship with the community to ensure future sales.


Gatehouse said:
Rough calculation, ETA, communications...whatever.

Anybody thst has been paying attention should have known that new production anything and/or preorders always take a long time. ;)
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Only because we accept that business practice. Stop doing pre-orders and buy from retailers shelves and I bet we'll start seeing products show up close to when promised.
 
Posted elsewhere:

"Howdy everybody,

"This has been the week from hell the soft jaws that we ordered didn’t make it here until today and last night Wyatt’s compressor ate it’s young so he had to load up the sand blaster and as many parts as he could and head to our other facility. He is still going strong at the other place trying to catch up on everything that has been tumbled and serialized. Parts for the compressor should be in Monday so that we can keep going on the uppers and their short operation.

It’s literally down to the dust cover pin hole, rear charge handle opening and precision bore fitment then they will be tumbled and blasted then off to anodizing. We can’t tell you how badly we want to be delivering right now all we can do is be transparent with you guys and keep working as hard as we can on what we can. We are extremely happy with the quality of our work so far. Thank you for your understanding"

Given all that's left seems to be limited to just all of the high precision machining operations, finish prep and anodizing, I think September is looking like a best case scenario.
 
AB_blaster said:
The bold is what you might be missing. ROUGH calculation. It is entirely ones personal opinion based on the information they have to provide an ESTIMATED TIME of DELIVERY. I'm not saying their choice in ETA was anywhere near accurate, all I'm saying is that MDI has made no PROMISES like you indicated in a previous post. What you said was disingenuous and a flat out lie. MDI has had several delays to do manufacturing issues and the like. Would communication be nice? Absolutely! Are they(MDI) obligated to inform Joe public about their issues? Absolutely NOT!

Wait your turn and get your rifle or get your deposit back. If you paid in full then I'm sorry you got suckered. Perhaps select a better vendor next time.
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Please quote me where I said it was promised. Maybe I forgot I posted that, typo’d it... or you’re straight up putting words in my mouth.

Let’s break this down.
If I tell you I’ll be over in about 5 minutes, and I live across town, where even with all things aligned (stop lights, no traffic, etc) it would still take me 10 minutes.
But I show up in 30 minutes... is that something that would be socially accepted?

If you buy a rifle from me, and I tell you I’ll try to ship it by the end of the weekend - but stop all communication and don’t ship it for 3 months, would you still give me positive feedback?

I’m allowed to voice my opinion as a consumer - and while many of you will defend and defend and defend Macabee until you’re blue in the face (which you’re entitled to do so), I will continue to voice against the LIES Macabee told us.

I have no issues with delays... yea, #### happens and it’s unfortunate. First world problems of ‘it’s not here fast enough’.

What I have an issue with is bull#### ETAs that are like the first situation I posted above. Talk about lying... that’s legit lying.

Had they come out and said ‘we got overwhelmed with orders, we’re having some complications such as.... and we’re doing our best to rectify them, but don’t have further details on when it can be expected/the date has been pushed to *insert REALISTIC* timeframe’ I wouldn’t be as pissy.

I can understand growth pains and hiccups. I can’t understand blatant lies.
 
dfritter1 said:
Posted elsewhere:

"Howdy everybody,

"This has been the week from hell the soft jaws that we ordered didn’t make it here until today and last night Wyatt’s compressor ate it’s young so he had to load up the sand blaster and as many parts as he could and head to our other facility. He is still going strong at the other place trying to catch up on everything that has been tumbled and serialized. Parts for the compressor should be in Monday so that we can keep going on the uppers and their short operation.

It’s literally down to the dust cover pin hole, rear charge handle opening and precision bore fitment then they will be tumbled and blasted then off to anodizing. We can’t tell you how badly we want to be delivering right now all we can do is be transparent with you guys and keep working as hard as we can on what we can. We are extremely happy with the quality of our work so far. Thank you for your understanding"

Given all that's left seems to be limited to just all of the high precision machining operations, finish prep and anodizing, I think September is looking like a best case scenario.
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Ok so now I am confused. Who orders "soft jaws" for proprietary parts? Assuming you have a machine shop, you make them yourself, usually out of a slightly softer material than what the part is to be made of. Hence the term "soft jaws". Proprietary parts normally require proprietary fixtures including soft jaws.
The manufacturing process seems to be very disjointed here:confused:
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Ok so now I am confused. Who orders "soft jaws" for proprietary parts? Assuming you have a machine shop, you make them yourself, usually out of a slightly softer material than what the part is to be made of. Hence the term "soft jaws". Proprietary parts normally require proprietary fixtures including soft jaws.
The manufacturing process seems to be very disjointed here:confused:
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Someone unfamiliar with the manufacturing process and the fact that most soft jaws are just chunks of aluminum square bar with some holes drilled in them?

Oooooor someone making excuses for being late. Dog ate my... Soft jaws?
 
Scotty454 said:
Someone unfamiliar with the manufacturing process and the fact that most soft jaws are just chunks of aluminum square bar with some holes drilled in them?

Oooooor someone making excuses for being late. Dog ate my... Soft jaws?
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Alright, jerks, time for some education. Macabee is using Orange vises. They use Carvsmart Jaws. Without the special dovetail cutter, you can't make your own softjaw blanks for them. As such, most people order blanks. They come in different sizes.

Go back to watching your YouTube machining videos and pretending you know what's going on.

You cry about not being given any reasons for delays, then you piss all over the reasons when they are given.

The poopiest of diapers.
 
Armedsask said:
Alright, jerks, time for some education. Macabee is using Orange vises. They use Carvesmart Jaws. Without the special dovetail cutter, you can't make your own softjaw blanks for them. As such, most people order blanks. They come in different sizes.

Go back to watching your YouTube machining videos and pretending you know what's going on.

You cry about not being given any reasons for delays, then you piss all over the reasons when they are given.

The poopiest of diapers.
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2018 you'd think the internet machinists would know about the new vises being used these days that require propitiatory jaws that people buy not make themselves

I do CNC for wood industry and just reading the comment the first thing I thought was Cravesmart Jaws, I don't even use vises but I know about them
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Ok so now I am confused. Who orders "soft jaws" for proprietary parts? Assuming you have a machine shop, you make them yourself, usually out of a slightly softer material than what the part is to be made of. Hence the term "soft jaws". Proprietary parts normally require proprietary fixtures including soft jaws.
The manufacturing process seems to be very disjointed here:confused:
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Quoted for posterity. A Canadian manufacturer pooping on another manufacturer because he's uninformed of popular quick change workholding solutions used extensively in the manufacturing industry.
 
Armedsask said:
Quoted for posterity. A Canadian manufacturer pooping on another manufacturer because he's uninformed of popular quick change workholding solutions used extensively in the manufacturing industry.
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Not pooping just can't for the life of me understand how " popular quick change workholding solutions" are of any REAL benefit in the making of proprietary parts. To me making your own soft jaws no only allows you to make perfect fitment but saves a ton of money and time. Maybe I am just to used to working with highly skilled tradesmen.
We make our soft jaws and leave them in the vises so in effect ARE quick change.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Not pooping just can't for the life of me understand how " popular quick change workholding solutions" are of any REAL benefit in the making of proprietary parts. To me making your own soft jaws no only allows you to make perfect fitment but saves a ton of money and time. Maybe I am just to used to working with highly skilled tradesmen.
We make our soft jaws and leave them in the vises so in effect ARE quick change.
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You completely misunderstand the concept. Carvsmart (also Kurt's knock-off "Dovelok") are aluminum soft jaw blanks that lock into the jaw carriers using a dovetail. This makes them highly repeatable. You still have to cut them as you do normal soft jaws to fit your parts.

The concept is that you can swap jaws in your vise in seconds, way faster than bolt on. They are geared towards shops that are swapping fixtures often. I use them extensively.

The idea behind buying the blanks is that you aren't wasting spindle time and shop time to make soft jaw blanks. It ends up being cheaper in the long run when you can just throw in the blanks and run the job.

Maybe your highly skilled tradesmen can Google them if you're still confused.
 
edge9382 said:
Well I just got completely turned off of Alberta Tactical. Real classy.
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I think I get their frustration... They have the capacity to produce receiver sets but are held up my red tape, MDI has the red tape cleared but lacks the production capacity... Small business are people, they get frustrated/annoyed like we all do. Maybe not a classy move, but somewhat understandable. When either company gets around to producing NR near AR receiver sets I'll be looking into getting a set.
 
WeatherdoG said:
I think I get their frustration... They have the capacity to produce receiver sets but are held up my red tape, MDI has the red tape cleared but lacks the production capacity... Small business are people, they get frustrated/annoyed like we all do. Maybe not a classy move, but somewhat understandable. When either company gets around to producing NR near AR receiver sets I'll be looking into getting a set.
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Frustration is not a valid excuse to attempt to trash the skills of a competitor.

The only upside is that it exposed their own lack of knowledge.
 
Armedsask said:
The only upside is that it exposed their own lack of knowledge.
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Well lets just wait and see who's level of "knowledge" allows them the ability to build the better receiver. I'm in on both products but if I were a betting man my money would be on ATRS building the "better" of the two. Others definition of "better" may differ from mine
 
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