Maccabee SLR classification

[Humblepie]

Next in line... generic bans...
Rifles with pistol grips, pistols with braces/ stocks, anything with a muzzle brake, anything bullpup, anything with a removable magazine that may be modified to hold more than five rounds... I give these guys 3-4 months...

We talk how this will make them lose an election but let’s not kid ourselves... even at 2.2 million licensed firearms holders we are a group small enough for the liberals not to care one bit about. They will say they did this and nobody could. They will say this will lead to lower crime, they will get 80-90% approval from the general public...

The moment the first AR lookalike rifles started coming out a few years ago, having been designed specifically to get an NR classification from the lab, while being as close to an AR pattern rifle as possible, I had zero doubt that these guys were going to fire back eventually...

I do not think they will get 80-90% public approval. Doesn't mean they won't act as it they do.

 

[Humblepie]

If the FRT notes say it was related to the AR-10, that is grounds to prohibit it. PreMay 1st it could be nonrestricted because AR-10s were not mentioned as prohibited in the Old OICs.

Were AR10s not prohibited at all before then? (01 May)

I suspect they were.

 

[Humblepie]

Was the ar10 not restricted prior to May 1st? Again the original frt states no direct or unique lineage to any known restricted or prohibited.

I remember seeing a real AR10 that had full auto ability removed.

That would have been early '90s.

I cannot believe that AR10s were not prohibited until just now, 01 May 2020.

 

[zelly]

I remember seeing a real AR10 that had full auto ability removed.

That would have been early '90s.

I cannot believe that AR10s were not prohibited until just now, 01 May 2020.

Why? It’s a gun like anyother. One bulletin at a time.

 

[PinkNinja]

Unless the FRT for that specific rifle gets changed I imagine they will ship it.

EDIT: Oh wait... did BCL get a new FRT for the coyote or did they just piggyback off the SLR FRT since they didn't make any changes to the design? I really don't know the answer to this.

I'm 99% sure it was just piggybacked since it's essentially an SLR with a BCL engraving. I've never heard of an FRT for the Coyote.
So I can't see why the Coyote WOULDN'T be prohibited.

 

[Twan]

I remember seeing a real AR10 that had full auto ability removed.

That would have been early '90s.

I cannot believe that AR10s were not prohibited until just now, 01 May 2020.

Original Armalite and Artillerie-Inrichtigen AR-10s were either Prohibited due to being full auto, converted auto, or they were restricted due to barrel length (and being semi-auto only from factory)

 

[crasheralex]

I'm 99% sure it was just piggybacked since it's essentially an SLR with a BCL engraving. I've never heard of an FRT for the Coyote.
So I can't see why the Coyote WOULDN'T be prohibited.

The coyote uses a regular slr lower with a bcl made upper. Since then lower is still just a slr lower it would be covered by this prohibition

 

[Mush2469]

I just checked the armalytics site and the Maccabee defence SLR is still listed as non restricted. (I don’t know how to do screen shots off phone)but pretty easy to find.
Good news for the coyote then?

 

[OnTheCoast]

Nope, it’s most definitely prohib as of yesterday.

 

[KePet]

I just checked the armalytics site and the Maccabee defence SLR is still listed as non restricted. (I don’t know how to do screen shots off phone)but pretty easy to find.
Good news for the coyote then?

Nope! Already posted in numerous places, with screen-shot of FRT, showing MacDef as changed to prohibited. Along with Modern Hunter and Modern Varminter. This should be really interesting, as these rifles were only recently given a NR classification in the FRT, BECAUSE they were deemed NOT to be a variant of the AR-15 by the RCMP lab.

 

[TrxR]

I just checked the armalytics site and the Maccabee defence SLR is still listed as non restricted. (I don’t know how to do screen shots off phone)but pretty easy to find.
Good news for the coyote then?

Their site isnt as update as the business portal which isnt as updated as the verifiers portal.

 

[enefgee]

The RCMP should be found in contempt of court - they were ordered to give Canadians access to THE FRT, not create a second FRT that isn't accurate.

 

[Stephano]

This is from a section in the gazette, Implementation, compliance and enforcement, "There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future."

There it is right in the OIC.

 

[cyclone]

The RCMP should be found in contempt of court - they were ordered to give Canadians access to THE FRT, not create a second FRT that isn't accurate.

Wasn't the RCMP previously found in contempt, albeit on a parallel issue?

 

[Mush2469]

Thanks for the info. It’s hard to stay up to date.

 

[sharpee]

This is from a section in the gazette, Implementation, compliance and enforcement, "There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future."

There it is right in the OIC.

The only way to deal with this is in court. The hope would be once this carte blanche language in the OIC is argued, the judge/s will determine it is unlawful. I would think there is multiple angles to challenge the OIC from what I've seen. it may take a couple years...

 

[Humblepie]

This is from a section in the gazette, Implementation, compliance and enforcement, "There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future."

There it is right in the OIC.

They do not quantify what the 'risk' is. They are implying that licensed firearms owners pose a risk. That is patently false. As the stats indicate.

But there is also the freedom from persecution. The way this is written, it actually says that they will go after you, and make you a criminal, even if you abide by the laws, they will be watching, and waiting....to take your property.

Not sure that would pass the scrutiny of the judicial system.

It had better not, or it will be a litmus test of how bad and corrupt our legal system really is.

 

[Humblepie]

Why? It’s a gun like anyother. One bulletin at a time.

I'm saying that they must have been prohibited before, or we would have had them up here in Canada a long time ago.

 

[RyoTHC]

I'll be mad if it was shipped after the fact...

Spineless like a jelly fish.
Sell all your guns and take up ballet.

 

[cyclone]

I'm saying that they must have been prohibited before, or we would have had them up here in Canada a long time ago.

Meanwhile:
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https://calibremag.ca/more-guns-banned-frt-records-deleted/?fbclid=IwAR1I8sADL7rpiQZu0umTKcKzah3B1EuFyZmkyV9Iay5-XVWArXvVUXbWjtI