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My trapper neighbor swings by for a coffee and we were chatting about what hunters have for rifles these days, and he remembered me asking about the 458 Wilson. He sat back in his chair after sipping on his coffee and said, "the disease that the USA has has made it up in to Canada and its called Magnumitis." I asked WTH is that? He said it seems that no one these days can hunt these days unless its a magnum, bigger, faster, tenderizes instantly, blows the animal to bits. Not like the old days where a hunter had an odd-six or 30-30 and actually hunted. To lazy to get out of a vehicle, or walk down an animal...yeah the hunting is gone to Magnumitis.

I think he has a point.
 
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The combination of more speed, flatter trajectory, better bullets and better optics has increased the potential distance for a clean kill. What hasn't kept pace necessarily is shooter skill.

The advantage that a magnum gives is wasted on the unskilled. In the right hands it is an advantage.

Now, as to whether long-range cartridges have made hunters lazier, I'd say hunters can afford to be lazier or at least less traditional when it comes to distance.

I much prefer the close stalk.
 
The combination of more speed, flatter trajectory, better bullets and better optics has increased the potential distance for a clean kill. What hasn't kept pace necessarily is shooter skill.

The advantage that a magnum gives is wasted on the unskilled. In the right hands it is an advantage.

Now, as to whether long-range cartridges have made hunters lazier, I'd say hunters can afford to be lazier or at least less traditional when it comes to distance.

I much prefer the close stalk.

Thank You for Your insight
 
My trapper neighbor swings by for a coffee and we were chatting about what hunters have for rifles these days, and he remembered me asking about the 458 Wilson. He sat back in his chair after sipping on his coffee and said, "the disease that the USA has has made it up in to Canada and its called Magnumitis." I asked WTH is that? He said it seems that no one these days can hunt these days un less its a magnum, bigger, faster, tenderizes instantly, blows the animal to bits. Not like the old days where a hunter had an odd-six or 30-30 and actually hunted. To lazy to get out of a vehicle, or walk down an animal...yeah the hunting is gone to Magnumitis.

I think he has a point.

Sounds like he doesn't know much about firearms. I've shot lots of animals with magnums, and never seen one blown to bits. A 30-06 is easily capable of taking game 500 yards or more away.
 
I own and hunt with many rifles/calibers. I have taken moose with 7mm-08 cleanly and deer with 300wsm without blowing it to bits. I have also seen people flinch like crazy because of their magnums and cant hit a damn thing with them and others who shoot 6" groups at 100 yards with a 308 and call that good. I think the most important thing is being able to confidently shoot whatever rifle you hunt with.
 
My trapper neighbor swings by for a coffee and we were chatting about what hunters have for rifles these days, and he remembered me asking about the 458 Wilson. He sat back in his chair after sipping on his coffee and said, "the disease that the USA has has made it up in to Canada and its called Magnumitis." I asked WTH is that? He said it seems that no one these days can hunt these days un less its a magnum, bigger, faster, tenderizes instantly, blows the animal to bits. Not like the old days where a hunter had an odd-six or 30-30 and actually hunted. To lazy to get out of a vehicle, or walk down an animal...yeah the hunting is gone to Magnumitis.

I think he has a point.

I think your "trapper neighbor" is about 4 decades late in his assessment and you're fantasizing again.
 
I think the 7mm Rem Mag is the upper limits for most, with a 300 Win Mag probably resulting in major flinching & poor marksmanship.

Not sure why a guy would pick a 300 Win Mag when he knows he can't handle the recoil? Then again, I've seen plenty of lead sleds @ the range in the fall...

IMHO, it's better to stick with lighter & fully capable cartridges and shoot them well.

Cheers
Jay
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I think the 7mm Rem Mag is the upper limits for most, with a 300 Win Mag probably resulting in major flinching & poor marksmanship.

Not sure why a guy would pick a 300 Win Mag when he knows he can't handle the recoil? Then again, I've seen plenty of lead sleds @ the range in the fall...

IMHO, it's better to stick with lighter & fully capable cartridges and shoot them well.

Cheers
Jay
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now thats FUNNY LMAO...Thanks for that,
A jujitsu proverb fits here..Dont be afraid of the fighter with a thousand moves, be afraid of the fighter that has done one move a thousand times.
 
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The word "MAGNUM" is probably the most over used, and misused word in the shooting lexicon. Rather than being anti-magnum, we should recognize the key to field marksmanship is a balance between bullet weight, powder charge, and rifle weight, to keep recoil within the tolerance level of the rifleman.

Let's consider the .45/70. The .45/70 is not a magnum by any measure, but when chambered in a traditional lever action rifle, and loaded as recommended for big game hunting, it will absolutely destroy any chance a novice shooter has of becoming a competent marksman. This is not due to recoil alone, which is not insignificant, but by a combination of recoil and poor stock design. The only way to make things worse would to be include a crescent shaped steel butt plate.

What about the .257 Weatherby? This cartridge pretty much defines the term magnum, in that it is extremely overbore, which means that in any reasonable barrel length, the powder charge has reached the point of diminishing returns, in that heavier powder charges will not significantly equate to greater velocity. Nothing would be gained over the .257 Bee by necking down a .378 Weatherby to .257 and filling the case to the neck with 112 grs of powder under a 100 gr bullet. Yet the .257's recoil is mild, velocity of standard weight bullets is extremely high, resulting a very flat trajectory, and given an appropriate bullet, it can be expected to be effective on most big game, other than big bears and bison. Despite these ballistic attributes, novice shooters tend to shoot it well in standard weight rifles.

The word magnum was not included in the naming of the .416 Rigby, but when a 350 gr bullet is driven over 2800 fps by 100 grs of powder, shooting one demands a tolerance to recoil, if its going to be shot well from field positions. I could only manage 3 rounds of .416 Rigby from prone before loosing concentration, but I can go 5 rounds slung up prone with my .375 Ultramag. I won't attempt prone with my .458, yet in the world of magnum cartridges, the .458 doesn't really meet the definition, since cartridges of the same caliber with larger powder capacities can gain significantly more velocity with standard weight bullets. Similar observations can be made to the old British Nitro cartridges, from .450 to .600, none are magnums, all of them will get your attention, even in double rifles weighing upwards of a dozen pounds.

If a novice hunter chooses an ultra-lite rifle chambered in .30/06, this thing will likely give him grief when he attempts to zero it, if he ever manages it. The .30/06 is no magnum, but its said to be the most powerful cartridge with which a novice adult can shoot a standard weight rifle with confidence, all bets are off if 3 or 4 pounds are knocked off a nominal weight of 9 pounds (loaded rifle, 24" medium contour barrel, scoped, with a sling installed). The first shot will be shocking, not only will his shoulder hurt, he won't enjoy the sensation that's transmitted to his jawbone either. But the same ultralight rifle chambered for the 6.5 Remington Magnum cartridge will be within the novice's recoil threshold, and the chances are he will shoot it well up to the limit of his experience and ability, and take his game in an ethical manner, rather than closing his eyes and jerking the trigger, as his cross-hair bounces across a big game animal that deserves better.
 
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I think the 7mm Rem Mag is the upper limits for most, with a 300 Win Mag probably resulting in major flinching & poor marksmanship.

Not sure why a guy would pick a 300 Win Mag when he knows he can't handle the recoil? Then again, I've seen plenty of lead sleds @ the range in the fall...

IMHO, it's better to stick with lighter & fully capable cartridges and shoot them well.

Cheers
Jay
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The word "MAGNUM" is probably the most over used, and misused word in the shooting lexicon. Rather than being anti-magnum, we should recognize the key to field marksmanship is a balance between bullet weight, powder charge, and rifle weight, to keep recoil within the tolerance level of the rifleman.

Let's consider the .45/70. The .45/70 is not a magnum by any measure, but when chambered in a traditional lever action rifle, and loaded as recommended for big game hunting, it will absolutely destroy any chance a novice shooter has of becoming a competent marksman. This is not due to recoil alone, which is not insignificant, but by a combination of recoil and poor stock design. The only way to make things worse would to be include a crescent shaped steel butt plate.

What about the .257 Weatherby? This cartridge pretty much defines the term magnum, in that it is extremely overbore, which means that in any reasonable barrel length, the powder charge has reached the point of diminishing returns, in that heavier powder charges will not significantly equate to greater velocity. Nothing would be gained over the .257 Bee by necking down a .378 Weatherby to .257 and filling the case to the neck with 112 grs of powder under a 100 gr bullet. Yet the .257's recoil is mild, velocity of standard weight bullets is extremely high, resulting a very flat trajectory, and given an appropriate bullet, it can be expected to be effective on most big game, other than big bears and bison. Despite these ballistic attributes, novice shooters tend to shoot it well in standard weight rifles.

The word magnum was not included in the naming of the .416 Rigby, but when a 350 gr bullet is driven over 2800 fps by 100 grs of powder, shooting one demands a tolerance to recoil, if its going to be shot well from field positions. I could only manage 3 rounds of .416 Rigby from prone before loosing concentration, but I can go 5 rounds slung up prone with my .375 Ultramag. I won't attempt prone with my .458, yet in the world of magnum cartridges, the .458 doesn't really meet the definition, since cartridges of the same caliber with larger powder capacities can gain significantly more velocity with standard weight bullets. Similar observations can be made to the old British Nitro cartridges, from .450 to .600, none are magnums, all of them will get your attention, even in double rifles weighing upwards of a dozen pounds.

If a novice hunter chooses an ultra-lite rifle chambered in .30/06, this thing will likely give him grief when he attempts to zero it, if he ever manages it. The .30/06 is no magnum, but its said to be the most powerful cartridge with which a novice adult can shoot a standard weight rifle with confidence, all bets are off if 3 or 4 pounds are knocked off a nominal weight of 9 pounds (loaded rifle, 24" medium contour barrel, scoped, with a sling installed). The first shot will be shocking, not only will his shoulder hurt, he won't enjoy the sensation that's transmitted to his jawbone either. But the same ultralight rifle chambered for the 6.5 Remington Magnum cartridge will be within the novice's recoil threshold, and the chances are he will shoot it well up to the limit of his experience and ability, and take his game in an ethical manner, rather than closing his eyes and jerking the trigger, as his cross-hair bounces across a big game animal that deserves better.

great insight ..thanks!
 
Id rather shoot my 458wm with rhino stoppers then shoot my 6lb 3oz sxs 12ga with 1 1/4 oz #4 loads.
I think its all marketing and while i do own magnums i still appreciate smaller cased rounds and my next magnum ill likely finish is a small magnum at that. The 416 taylor. I dont plan on hunting dangerous game with it but 350gr 416 diameter bullet at 2200 to 2400fps is plenty fine for moose. My 2 300wms are just boring. They will kill a moose dead and are likely a better choice then the 416t but life isnt ruled by need its driven by wants and i want a 416t and a couple 250 savages

There does seem to be a market shift. For example 338 federal. The small cased 6.5s. The creedmore is hardly half what the 264wm is. Efficiency seems to be a driving force as well. But we like what we like. Long slender cases to me are more appealing then a short fat one
I think anything that gets canadians buying guns is a good thing whether its a 22lr or 50bmg or a black ar15 or handgun or highend skeet gun
 
My trapper neighbor swings by for a coffee and we were chatting about what hunters have for rifles these days, and he remembered me asking about the 458 Wilson. He sat back in his chair after sipping on his coffee and said, "the disease that the USA has has made it up in to Canada and its called Magnumitis." I asked WTH is that? He said it seems that no one these days can hunt these days unless its a magnum, bigger, faster, tenderizes instantly, blows the animal to bits. Not like the old days where a hunter had an odd-six or 30-30 and actually hunted. To lazy to get out of a vehicle, or walk down an animal...yeah the hunting is gone to Magnumitis.

I think he has a point.

The same conversation has been going around the coffee table the campfire and the gun counter since the introduction of the ''Magnum" label.
Bigger isnt always better and sometimes less is more, but lets see where the discussion goes today .
Rob
 
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