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This may have been asked before but I couldn't find anything about in the EE FAQ and not allowed to post there so posting here:
Are there any restrictions with Canada Post on mailing firearms, either restricted or non-restricted? There are plenty of mail order companies and I would guess they use their own appointed couriers but would like to know the options for private sellers as I have a handgun to sell and don't know if there are any rules on posting it if a cannot find a local buyer.
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For a restricted gun you:
- sell it to your buyer.
- Call the Canadian Firearms Center to transfer the registration
-Give your buyer the reference number of the transfer and wait for the registration to go through. (depending on what province they're from 1day to 3 weeks.)
Once you get the Transfer Notification You:
- Call the RCMP Canadian Firearms Center again to get a short term ATT to take it to the post office. (You will need the post offices specific address as well as the transfer reference number and your PAL information)
- Package the handgun up and take it to that post office. You don't have to tell them its a Firearm. Just drop it off, pay the shipping, send your buyer the tracking number, and you're done.

Side note. There can not be any ammo in the box. The gun doesn't need a lock but some people will ship it with an el cheapo plastic lock or cable lock for JIC. (Just In Case)
 
For nonrestricted, find a solid cardboard box that will fit the rifle. Wrap it (unloaded) in heavy paper or plastic, then seal in the box. I like to include a copy of the bill of sale or the CGN notice inside. Take it to the postal counter, wait in line, try to avoid wondering why that old doll at the front of the line is taking so friggin' long, then when your turn comes, give it to the clerk for processing. If I am selling the rifle, I ask ahead of time if the buyer wants insurance, otherwise pay the low-and-slow rate. Send the buyer the tracking number and the deal is done.
 
tiriaq said:
Signature on delivery.
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Thanks for that. I completely forgot to mention that it is the actual law that you must send all firearms w/signature.

shawn said:
Negative ghost rider

This is 100% false

All firearms chip by Canada post need to be locked (individual sales)

Shawn
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"You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents." - htt p://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm

No where does it say "locked." They give us this because it will have different meanings from one person to another which is exactly why people will ship with a lock and even a chamber flag for that reason. The safe manner is obviously unloaded with no ammunition in the box. The secure manner is w/signature option. To deter loss, theft, and accidents comes down to how you packaged it. The box must not show any signs that what is inside is a gun and the box must be sturdy enough to contain what is inside. This is complying with the law on the RCMP's side. If Canada Post tells me I need to have a trigger lock on it, why would you take them seriously? Were talking about the same company that ships severed body parts unnoticed.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
"You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents." - htt p://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm
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You might want to actually reference the law if you are going to make assertions as to what it is, the RCMP site is not law and they even tell you so:

This fact sheet is intended to provide general information. For legal references, please refer to the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.
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Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
No where does it say "locked."
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No where is an FAQ on the RCMP site the law

Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
They give us this because it will have different meanings from one person to another which is exactly why people will ship with a lock and even a chamber flag for that reason.
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Who cares why they put it up, it is not law and holds no legal authority. On top of that no where does it say what you think it does and their site has been purposely wrong in the past

Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
This is complying with the law on the RCMP's side.
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Nope, so detail for us how you transport a restricted from your house to the post office? Remember no gun have to be locked according to you right?

Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
The box must not show any signs that what is inside is a gun and the box must be sturdy enough to contain what is inside.
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Where does this magical law come from? Your RCMP FAQ says no such thing.

Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
If Canada Post tells me I need to have a trigger lock on it, why would you take them seriously? Were talking about the same company that ships severed body parts unnoticed.
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Oh I dont know maybe because it is the law?

60 Every person who contravenes any provision of this Act or the regulations or who commits an offence under any of sections 48 to 59

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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http://www.laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/page-7.html#docCont

Guess what just happens to be a regulation made under the Canada post act? Thats right that firearms have to have a secure locking device attached.

So we have established that you dont not know what the law is, which laws apply, and that to you think the RCMP site is law. Not only are you claiming what the law is based on bad info, you are adding things to it that are not there (but actually are law, but not from what you claim the law is)

Shawn
 
shawn said:
You might want to actually reference the law if you are going to make assertions as to what it is, the RCMP site is not law and they even tell you so:





No where is an FAQ on the RCMP site the law



Who cares why they put it up, it is not law and holds no legal authority. On top of that no where does it say what you think it does and their site has been purposely wrong in the past



Nope, so detail for us how you transport a restricted from your house to the post office? Remember no gun have to be locked according to you right?



Where does this magical law come from? Your RCMP FAQ says no such thing.



Oh I dont know maybe because it is the law?



http://www.laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/page-7.html#docCont

Guess what just happens to be a regulation made under the Canada post act? Thats right that firearms have to have a secure locking device attached.

So we have established that you dont not know what the law is, which laws apply, and that to you think the RCMP site is law. Not only are you claiming what the law is based on bad info, you are adding things to it that are not there (but actually are law, but not from what you claim the law is)

Shawn
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I have no idea if it's the law or not... But I've ordered many firearms from many companies including restricted and only one that I can remember had a lock on it... But the key was taped to the lock so... Like I said I don't know the law but I guess a few companies don't either
 
Opex said:
I have no idea if it's the law or not... But I've ordered many firearms from many companies including restricted and only one that I can remember had a lock on it... But the key was taped to the lock so... Like I said I don't know the law but I guess a few companies don't either
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Just because a company can do it does not mean you can. There are different laws for different people

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Just because a company can do it does not mean you can. There are different laws for different people

Shawn
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32 A person may transfer a firearm by mail only if

(a) the verifications, notifications, issuances and authorizations referred to in sections 21 to 28, 30, 31, 40 to 43 and 46 to 52 take place within a reasonable period before the transfer in the prescribed manner; and

(b) [Repealed, 2003, c. 8, s. 24]

(c) the prescribed conditions are complied with.

1995, c. 39, s. 32; 2003, c. 8, s. 24.


Nothing about locking...??...
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/page-6.html#docCont


I could be wrong but from what I read nothing about locking... A restricted I would lock cuz it's a requirement at any time... But not a NR
 
To the OP, what I would recommend when you call the Canadian Firearms Program to transfer the handgun to your buyer or, when you call for the short term ATT, ask them what are the legal requirements in packaging a firearm for shipping. That way you get the right info.
 
I would like to add that the insurance CANADA POST offers is quite inexpensive and I would consider buying it regardless of if the buyer wants it. I had a package delivered today after an EE sale and even though the rifle w/optics was in a hard case they managed to damage the scope. The insurance on this package was $4.50 which I consider cheap .
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
To the OP, what I would recommend when you call the Canadian Firearms Program to transfer the handgun to your buyer or, when you call for the short term ATT, ask them what are the legal requirements in packaging a firearm for shipping. That way you get the right info.
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ASK THE POST OFFICE NOT THE CFO they give you four different answers on firearms questions they won't have a clue about postal regulations.
 
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Opex said:
I could be wrong but from what I read nothing about locking... A restricted I would lock cuz it's a requirement at any time... But not a NR
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You would be wrong

I already posted it above. The firearms act is not the only law that applies.

Shawn
 
ddtank said:
Will do, thanks. Looks like I generated some "heated debate" but good info too.
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Not really heated debate. You have to be careful on CGN, people post BS as fact on things they know nothing about all the time.

Look it up yourself, I already provided the links to the applicable laws.

Also dont forget that unless Canada post is picking it up at your house you have to transport it from your house to the post office. Meaning you have to transport it in accordance with the firearms act as well.

Shawn
 
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The cheapo plastic locks or heavy zip ties are what I use.
And old long gun boxes. Just remember if you are paying the freight, keep it under 30inches long.
 
shawn said:
Not really heated debate. You have to be careful on CGN, people post BS as fact on things they know nothing about all the time.

Look it up yourself, I already provided the links to the applicable laws.

Also dont forget that unless Canada post is picking it up at your house you have to transport it from your house to the post office. Meaning you have to transport it in accordance with the firearms act as well.

Shawn
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How about you point out in your link as to where it says anything about locks. Because it doesn't say anything about locks or even mention anything about firearms. Also, if there is a difference between individual's shipping a firearm and a business, please post it.
 
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