Mailing firearms

[shawn]

How about you point out in your link as to where it says anything about locks. Because it doesn't say anything about locks or even mention anything about firearms. Also, if there is a difference between individual's shipping a firearm and a business, please post it.

Re-read post 6

Shawn

 

[General Brock]

Shipping by Post
16 An individual may ship a firearm by posting it only if

(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;

(b) the destination is within Canada; and

(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.

SOR/2004-277, s. 4.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/FullText.html

Best I was able to find.

 

[shawn]

Jesus did you even read the thread?

The Firearms act is not the only law that applies to firearms in the mail!

Shawn

 

[Opex]

Jesus did you even read the thread?

The Firearms act is not the only law that applies to firearms in the mail!

Shawn

Still don't see anything that says firearms must be "locked" when shipped in anything you've posted... I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right but show us where it says that exactly as a few of us see nothing in your "post 6"

 

[Londonshooter]

Still don't see anything that says firearms must be "locked" when shipped in anything you've posted... I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right but show us where it says that exactly as a few of us see nothing in your "post 6"

Post 6 shows Canada Post conditions for individuals sending guns within Canada by mail.

An excerpt:

Customers who wish to ship firearms must:
unload the firearms
attach a secure locking device to the firearms
lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

 

[shawn]

Still don't see anything that says firearms must be "locked" when shipped in anything you've posted... I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right but show us where it says that exactly as a few of us see nothing in your "post 6"

I am sorry I should have specified that the link in post 6 be clicked and read

Shawn

 

[shawn]

It is sad that this is has been so hard

There cannot be any ammunition in the firearm or in the package. Bullets, cartridges and other ammunition are dangerous goods and cannot be mailed. These items fall under Class 1 (Explosives) of the Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act and Regulations.

Customers who wish to ship firearms must:

unload the firearms
attach a secure locking device to the firearms
lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container, and
remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).

Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1389620

Which is a regulation under the Canadapost Act, which BTW is law

60 Every person who contravenes any provision of this Act or the regulations or who commits an offence under any of sections 48 to 59

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

http://www.laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/page-7.html#docCont

It is law whether or not you like it.

Shawn

 

[Opex]

So Canada post says it needs a locking device... That's fine that's there regulations... But there's still no where that's says this on the Canadians law website... Click your line witch is Canada post it says must me locked... Click the laws website in your link and says nothing... So my be Canada posts policy but still doesn't say it anywhere in the law... That I have found out that you have showed...


I'm not arguing about the validity of what your saying... But like you said just cuz it's on the RCMP website doesn't make it law... Just cuz it's on the Canada post website doesn't either... I've read all your links and see nothing referring to the CP rules in Canada law (about secure locking devices)

 

[MiniMe]

I called them once and I was told this:

- Use regular or expedited parcel, NO AIR!
- No Ammo
- There must be no signs in the package that suggests it is a firearm.
- request proof of age and signature.

A suggestion given to me by the customer service rep over the phone, tell them it is a firearm and write down the agents name.
Some remote places in Canada might use air transportation even if you chose regular parcel, so if there is any problem, you have something to use in your favour, but that is up to you.

 

[greywolf67nt]

I called them once and I was told this:

- Use regular or expedited parcel, NO AIR!

That right there is funny because I live in a FLY IN ONLY community and guess what? I get guns in the mail all the time.

- request proof of age and signature.

I don't think I have EVER been asked for proof of age. I did ask once because the folks at the PO here had never asked to see ID (small town everyone knows me) and they said nope it doesn't even ask for it here. Anyone else?

 

[Opex]

That right there is funny because I live in a FLY IN ONLY community and guess what? I get guns in the mail all the time.


I don't think I have EVER been asked for proof of age. I did ask once because the folks at the PO here had never asked to see ID (small town everyone knows me) and they said nope it doesn't even ask for it here. Anyone else?

Well if there not told what's in it they don't know it's required... So you can ship a firearm by air if they don't know it's a firearm but your not supposed to and who knows what would happened if they figured it out

 

[torontogungal]

Negative ghost rider

This is 100% false

All firearms chip by Canada post need to be locked (individual sales)

Shawn

We shipped one restricted firearm we sold a couple of years ago by canada post with a combo trigger lock on it and emailed the combination to the buyer.
Didn't want to take a chance on being spiked to the cross by canadian authorities eager to lay a firearms related criminal charge.

 

[shawn]

So Canada post says it needs a locking device... That's fine that's there regulations... But there's still no where that's says this on the Canadians law website... Click your line witch is Canada post it says must me locked... Click the laws website in your link and says nothing... So my be Canada posts policy but still doesn't say it anywhere in the law... That I have found out that you have showed...


I'm not arguing about the validity of what your saying... But like you said just cuz it's on the RCMP website doesn't make it law... Just cuz it's on the Canada post website doesn't either... I've read all your links and see nothing referring to the CP rules in Canada law (about secure locking devices)

I cant be any more clear

I have no idea what you are not understanding. I would suggest actually reading what the law is

Shawn

 

[tiriaq]

The legislation establishing Canada Post provides for regulations. These regulations therefore have force of law.

 

[General Brock]

Jesus did you even read the thread?

The Firearms act is not the only law that applies to firearms in the mail!

Shawn

Of course, but what you quoted isn't the law or you haven't provided any links to a law as I did.

Giving a link to a Canada Post best practices page: https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1389620

Isn't a law so if you can find the law I would be breaking, that would be helpful.

Getting upset doesn't make you right.

 

[shawn]

Of course, but what you quoted isn't the law or you haven't provided any links to a law as I did.

Giving a link to a Canada Post best practices page: https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1389620

Isn't a law so if you can find the law I would be breaking, that would be helpful.

Getting upset doesn't make you right.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the regulations listed on the Canadapost site are law.

Oh scary someone used different sized font they must be angry Its not my fault you can not understand the simple fact that Canadapost regulations are law.

Shawn

 

[torontogungal]

He likes yelling at people.
Doesn't much matter what it's about.

 

[General Brock]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the regulations listed on the Canadapost site are law.

Oh scary someone used different sized font they must be angry Its not my fault you can not understand the simple fact that Canadapost regulations are law.

Shawn

What bubble would that be? I'm only looking for accurate information to be shared so I'll ask it again:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/index.html

What would be the specific charge that the Crown would apply per the legislation above that pertains to me if I shipped a restricted firearm without​ a lock?

It's not my fault you come across as upset (more comical then scary) or cannot understand the premise of my original question, cheers.

 

[shawn]

Lets start with the obvious

Contravention of storage regulations, etc.

(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-20.html#docCont

And

60 Every person who contravenes any provision of this Act or the regulations or who commits an offence under any of sections 48 to 59

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

http://www.laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-10/page-7.html#docCont

The charges would be section 88 (2) of the CCC and section 60 of the Canada post act

I think you dont know how charges are laid let alone what the laws are. That may be part of the issue.

Shawn

 

[MiniMe]

That's what I was told, I was never asked for proof of age as well.

That right there is funny because I live in a FLY IN ONLY community and guess what? I get guns in the mail all the time.


I don't think I have EVER been asked for proof of age. I did ask once because the folks at the PO here had never asked to see ID (small town everyone knows me) and they said nope it doesn't even ask for it here. Anyone else?