Make your Kel Tec CMR30 Non Restricted with our conversion kit. 50.00USD

Bobbydigital said:
Perhaps a well informed officer takes out a tape measure and figures out that it indeed meets the definition of NR and you are on your merry way.
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It's difficult to find a well informed OWNER. And firearms dealings are actually on the uncommon side of police day to day work. The first thing that will be done is the serial number will be checked, your pal/rpal will be checked and it will still state that you own a restricted firearm, no matter what the measurements say.
 
Jon. said:
It's difficult to find a well informed OWNER. And firearms dealings are actually on the uncommon side of police day to day work. The first thing that will be done is the serial number will be checked, your pal/rpal will be checked and it will still state that you own a restricted firearm, no matter what the measurements say.
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It usually doesn't even go this far if you are stopped for an unrelated issue and firearms come up that are on your person or in the vehicle, police will usually take the firearms and you will get a call in a few days to pick them up if everything checks out.

Roadside game checks with conservation officers and police during hunting season are really the only time where you can be successful in explaining the situation to the satisfaction of a peace officer that they will allow you to be on your way with a firearm that meets the definition of NR but is registered otherwise
 
Wow , good to know , pm sent .

Thanks for pointing this out .

IRUNGUNS said:
You asked the question before we had the opportunity to reach out to everyone.


Yes you are correct, the first run of NR CMR30 rifles was authorized as NON Restricted by SFSS.

This was a verbal authorization where we used the same justification as some of the other posts on this thread.

At that time we were asked to file for a NR FRT, which is normally a streamlined process, although sometimes a lengthy one. This was all done prior to the importation of the rifles.

One of the Canadian Dist/dealers had gotten their nose out of joint over our marketing of the rifle which happens quite regularly when we steal their thunder, hence we were then asked to send one in for inspection.

At that time we were also kindly asked to stop selling the rifles until the inspection was complete at which time we were to receive a NON Restricted classification. That is why we stopped marketing them.

That was over three years ago.

We just received the sample rifle back in the last couple weeks with the rear stock destroyed. Understandably so when you beat it with a hammer.

They "SFSS" argued that because they were able to take it apart it was not considered permanent and as it was not manufactured by a licensed Manufacturer but rather altered they had issues with the NR classification even though it clearly falls within the legal definition of NR.

What the law states and how law enforcement and or the individual intrepid the law are not the same, this problem is compounded when people retire or move to other departments.

We will not bore you with the details but trust me when I say we have round tabled this extensively.

The only way this was going to work without a legal battle was to have a licensed Manufacture design and market a purpose build stock.

Surprise, IRUNGUNS is a licensed NFA manufacturer in the United States, we hold the same licensing and manufacturing capabilities as Kel Tec, Sig, Glock, Silencerco, Yankee Hill, Daniel Defense and so on.

Persistence over comes resistance....Problem solved...

That said, we will provide everyone who originally purchased a NR CMR30 a free stock and front sling mount. Please PM us with your serial number and contact information. Please note you will be responsible for Canadian shipping, we will cover the US shipping to Canada, importation, brokerage and all taxes on the stock and sling mount.


The IRUNGUNS Team
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IRUNGUNS said:
You asked the question before we had the opportunity to reach out to everyone.


Yes you are correct, the first run of NR CMR30 rifles was authorized as NON Restricted by SFSS.

This was a verbal authorization where we used the same justification as some of the other posts on this thread.

At that time we were asked to file for a NR FRT, which is normally a streamlined process, although sometimes a lengthy one. This was all done prior to the importation of the rifles.

One of the Canadian Dist/dealers had gotten their nose out of joint over our marketing of the rifle which happens quite regularly when we steal their thunder, hence we were then asked to send one in for inspection.

At that time we were also kindly asked to stop selling the rifles until the inspection was complete at which time we were to receive a NON Restricted classification. That is why we stopped marketing them.

That was over three years ago.

We just received the sample rifle back in the last couple weeks with the rear stock destroyed. Understandably so when you beat it with a hammer.

They "SFSS" argued that because they were able to take it apart it was not considered permanent and as it was not manufactured by a licensed Manufacturer but rather altered they had issues with the NR classification even though it clearly falls within the legal definition of NR.

What the law states and how law enforcement and or the individual intrepid the law are not the same, this problem is compounded when people retire or move to other departments.

We will not bore you with the details but trust me when I say we have round tabled this extensively.

The only way this was going to work without a legal battle was to have a licensed Manufacture design and market a purpose build stock.

Surprise, IRUNGUNS is a licensed NFA manufacturer in the United States, we hold the same licensing and manufacturing capabilities as Kel Tec, Sig, Glock, Silencerco, Yankee Hill, Daniel Defense and so on.

Persistence over comes resistance....Problem solved...

That said, we will provide everyone who originally purchased a NR CMR30 a free stock and front sling mount. Please PM us with your serial number and contact information. Please note you will be responsible for Canadian shipping, we will cover the US shipping to Canada, importation, brokerage and all taxes on the stock and sling mount.


The IRUNGUNS Team
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Bro move. Much appreciated, sent PM.
 
Do you sell them with this stock installed? Non-restricted? You know, for those of us who don't trust our government to remove anything from any list.

Edit: nevermind, I see that you do indeed on another thread! Thanks IRG!
 
Bobbydigital said:
What you fail to understand Pirate 604 is that I haven not spread any misinformation and haven’t s&$t on this product at all. It’s a great idea and appreciate what Irunguns has done. In fact I believe they could sell more if verification was not required as I believe it is not. The firearms act states that if a modification affects the classification of a firearm you must notify the RCMP. Nowhere does it say it must be verified. You must be a hoot at parties
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I AM a hoot at parties, Jealous?
It really does not matter what you believe. You want a restricted fire recertified as non restriced and the registration elimnated from the system then it must be verified.
 
pirate604 said:
I AM a hoot at parties, Jealous?
It really does not matter what you believe. You want a restricted fire recertified as non restriced and the registration elimnated from the system then it must be verified.[/QUOT
Can you kindly point me to where it says it must be verified? It actually states that YOU must inform them of a change in classification. No mention at all of verification. Similar to needing club membership to possess restricteds, they impose rules that are not law and we abide by those rules.
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Call the CFP on the FRT for resticted.
You'll need to get it verified by a qualified individual that it classifies under the other FRT listed its pretty straight forward.
I'm not sure how this is still a ongoing argument.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/verification

Previously registered firearms

A restricted firearm that has been registered before in Canada is already verified. It does not need to be verified again, unless the Registrar needs to confirm the description or classification.

Change of classification = verification
 
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sogone2day said:
Call the CFP on the FRT for resticted.
You'll need to get it verified by a qualified individual that it classifies under the other FRT listed its pretty straight forward.
I'm not sure how this is still a ongoing argument.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/verification

Previously registered firearms

A restricted firearm that has been registered before in Canada is already verified. It does not need to be verified again, unless the Registrar needs to confirm the description or classification.

Change of classification = verification
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That is RCMP opinion that's why it's on their website, not law. I know I am being difficult but I am yet to be proved wrong. It is not law. Obviously it is easier to just get it verified, but I am just trying to point out that we are complying with a rule that is not law.
 
Bobbydigital said:
That is RCMP opinion that's why it's on their website, not law. I know I am being difficult but I am yet to be proved wrong. It is not law. Obviously it is easier to just get it verified, but I am just trying to point out that we are complying with a rule that is not law.
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The rule may not be law, but what does that matter when it's still enforced by guns and courts. It's effectively law as far as any legal gun owner is concerned, so there's no point telling anyone the opposite.
 
KDW__ said:
The rule may not be law, but what does that matter when it's still enforced by guns and courts. It's effectively law as far as any legal gun owner is concerned, so there's no point telling anyone the opposite.
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I haven't told anyone anything, just trying to spark conversation with like minded people. I find it fascinating how people respond. You have no evidence that it is enforced by police or courts do you? I have no dog in this fight as I don't have a firearm in this situation. Just fascinating how people respond. It's great what IRG has done and I am thankful for what they do. It just speaks to why gun owners are in the situation we are currently in when I hear the responses I get.
 
Bobbydigital said:
I haven't told anyone anything, just trying to spark conversation with like minded people. I find it fascinating how people respond. You have no evidence that it is enforced by police or courts do you? I have no dog in this fight as I don't have a firearm in this situation. Just fascinating how people respond. It's great what IRG has done and I am thankful for what they do. It just speaks to why gun owners are in the situation we are currently in when I hear the responses I get.
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Legal gun owners are in the position we are because our hobby/lifestyle is an easy target for politicians and there isn't enough of us for our votes to truly matter. We are generally a law abiding segment of the population or keep quiet about it if we aren't and follow the stupid RCMP requirements for things because we don't want them kicking in our doors and taking our very expensive things from us and forcing us to spend more money in court to prove we are in the right.
 
Bobbydigital said:
pirate604 said:
I AM a hoot at parties, Jealous?
It really does not matter what you believe. You want a restricted fire recertified as non restriced and the registration elimnated from the system then it must be verified.[/QUOT
Can you kindly point me to where it says it must be verified? It actually states that YOU must inform them of a change in classification. No mention at all of verification. Similar to needing club membership to possess restricteds, they impose rules that are not law and we abide by those rules.
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I personally know nothing about this stuff, but, from what I've read I think you are missing the point.

It is simple - you don't need to verify it, you are correct - you just inform them and you are done - you are compliant.

BUT

even though it is classified now as a NR it ** will still appear on the naughty restricted list **. Why? Who knows? That is how the system works. If you want it removed from the restricted list then someone has to physically look at it and agree it should be removed. The verifyer is nothing but doing database management - it already was NR, the database dude just had to be paid off to remove it from the system.
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I don't think it's hemp someone is smoking lol. Carbon fiber is a bit misleading. It is a nice 3d print though. What is the actual material PETG?

Maybe IRG will make the file available. I ordered some gold filament from Amazon. I'll print some gold stocks and make a killing on the EE at 2300$ per ounce. Lots of bling ✨️ cgners out there!!

When were you gonna let all the guys know the "non restricted" from previous orders were subject to massive litigation when they "caught you on crown land"?

Your 5$ 3d printed plastic stock is your solution? Then you want people to pay the shipping on top of that for your mistake? You should offer a rebarrel.


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Wow.

Such sass for a Canadian company making a product that fits a need of a narrow Canadian market. Way to congratulate innovation, CGN.

IRG, thanks for your good work. I don’t own this firearm but appreciate the effort. $50 to avoid a court battle is less than I’d spend on gas going to court.
 
A question about this this , how will this stock interact with the original nr modification on the first batch of non restricted irunguns offered? Will it add even more length to the already restricted stocks ? Will the expoxied on stoppers need to be removed ? Can they be removed . If you had an original model brought in as non restricted does it still need to be verified once this stock is on ?

IRUNGUNS said:
You asked the question before we had the opportunity to reach out to everyone.


Yes you are correct, the first run of NR CMR30 rifles was authorized as NON Restricted by SFSS.

This was a verbal authorization where we used the same justification as some of the other posts on this thread.

At that time we were asked to file for a NR FRT, which is normally a streamlined process, although sometimes a lengthy one. This was all done prior to the importation of the rifles.

One of the Canadian Dist/dealers had gotten their nose out of joint over our marketing of the rifle which happens quite regularly when we steal their thunder, hence we were then asked to send one in for inspection.

At that time we were also kindly asked to stop selling the rifles until the inspection was complete at which time we were to receive a NON Restricted classification. That is why we stopped marketing them.

That was over three years ago.

We just received the sample rifle back in the last couple weeks with the rear stock destroyed. Understandably so when you beat it with a hammer.

They "SFSS" argued that because they were able to take it apart it was not considered permanent and as it was not manufactured by a licensed Manufacturer but rather altered they had issues with the NR classification even though it clearly falls within the legal definition of NR.

What the law states and how law enforcement and or the individual intrepid the law are not the same, this problem is compounded when people retire or move to other departments.

We will not bore you with the details but trust me when I say we have round tabled this extensively.

The only way this was going to work without a legal battle was to have a licensed Manufacture design and market a purpose build stock.

Surprise, IRUNGUNS is a licensed NFA manufacturer in the United States, we hold the same licensing and manufacturing capabilities as Kel Tec, Sig, Glock, Silencerco, Yankee Hill, Daniel Defense and so on.

Persistence over comes resistance....Problem solved...

That said, we will provide everyone who originally purchased a NR CMR30 a free stock and front sling mount. Please PM us with your serial number and contact information. Please note you will be responsible for Canadian shipping, we will cover the US shipping to Canada, importation, brokerage and all taxes on the stock and sling mount.


The IRUNGUNS Team
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