Mannlichers....

User marlin61 has a cz550 in 9.3x62 on the EE now. Saw the photos on GP and it looks to be the older version with the thin stock, not the newer chunky 2x4 stock. Hope someone jumps on it.
I have one in 9.3x62 with the thin stock I got from Rob a few years ago (see pic) and I'd never sell it. I didn't realize the new ones had a different stock design which resulted in me selling a cz550 FS in 308 I had just bought new as it felt like holding a 2x4.
I've since picked up 2 more older thin stocked ones, one in 243 and one in 308 for which I have a cz750 10rd mag to convert them into very classy "ranger" rifles.
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doctor_meltdown said:
User marlin61 has a cz550 in 9.3x62 on the EE now. Saw the photos on GP and it looks to be the older version with the thin stock, not the newer chunky 2x4 stock. Hope someone jumps on it.
I have one in 9.3x62 with the thin stock I got from Rob a few years ago (see pic) and I'd never sell it. I didn't realize the new ones had a different stock design which resulted in me selling a cz550 FS in 308 I had just bought new as it felt like holding a 2x4.
I've since picked up 2 more older thin stocked ones, one in 243 and one in 308 for which I have a cz750 10rd mag to convert them into very classy "ranger" rifles.
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I stumbled on a 1903 mannlicher in our local gun store today. It followed me home. I’ve been looking for one since I was a kid.AE200801-8CE4-4234-BC37-9D4FFDF0291F.jpgE20F05E1-0467-4F42-BF31-6C29E9FF9093.jpgF8DE260B-FA26-49AB-8072-32B0C3F96A71.jpg
 

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topgun223 said:
Bore is good. The gun is in very good condition
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If you ever take it out of the stock I'd be interested in learning when it was made...date should be marked just below the stock line on the front right side of the receiver.
 
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topgun223 said:
Ok. There’s no caliber markings. I was told it’s 6.5 x54 ms
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Yes, all Model 1903s are 6.5x54.



The Mannlicher-Schoenauer Models

Model & calibers bolt type safety stock type butt type

Pre WWII - 1900-1939

1900 6.5x54mm MS round knob wing carbine, rifle, steel plate

and takedown with trap

1903 6.5x54mm MS straight butterknife “ carbine, rifle, steel plate

and takedown with trap

1905 9x56mm MS “ “ carbine, rifle, steel plate

and takedown with trap

1908 8x56mm MS “ “ carbine, rifle, steel plate

and takedown with trap

1910 9.5x56mm MS “ “ carbine, rifle, steel plate

and takedown with trap

1924/25 .30-06, 7x57, 7x64 “ “ carbine, rifle, steel plate

8x57JS, 8x60S, and takedown with trap

9.3x62mm, 10.75x68mm

Post WWII – 1950-1970 (US Market)

1950 6.5x54mm, .257Roberts straight wing & carbine & rifle plastic

.270 WCF, .30-06 US butterknife side

1950 6.5x54mm, .257 Roberts straight wing & carbine & rifle plastic

Improved .270 WCF, .30-06, butterknife side

9.3x62mm

1952 6.5x54mm, .6.5x57mm swept back wing & carbine & rifle plastic

and M1952 .257 Roberts 7x57mm butterknife side

Improved .270 WCF,.308 .30-06,

9.3x62mm

1956 MC .243 WCF, .244 Rem., swept back wing & High Monte white line

.257 Roberts, 6.5x54mm butterknife side Carlo, rifle spacer

.280 Rem, 7x57mm and carbine

.270, .308, .30-06,

.358 WCF, 9.3x62mm

Magnum .257 WBY, 6.5x68mm swept back wing & High Monte white line

(1958) .264 Win, 8x68mm, butterknife side Carlo (MC style) spacer

.338 Win., and .458 Win rifle only

1961 MCA .243 WCF, 6.5x54mm, swept back wing & Low Monte white line

6.5x57mm, .270 WCF butterknife side Carlo (MCA style) spacer

7x57mm,.280 Rem,

.308 WCF,.30-06, wing & tang

.358 WCF, 9.3x62mm after 1964

Notes

1. In 1960-61 Stoeger listed a 1960 MC model with the same stock as the 1956. MC models are also observed with MCA series stocks.

2. Pre-WWII Mannlicher-Schoenauers existed in three action lengths, small (1900, 1903), medium (1905, 1908, 1910) , and large (1924, 1925). Post WWII actions are of the M1924/25 standard size, or the M1958 magnum. The 1925 is also called the “High Velocity” model.

3. In the Pre WWII era, catalogues offered an unlimited range of variables of made to order rifles and carbines. The best place to see this range is in the 1939 issue of Stoeger’s Shooter’s Bible.

4. In the M1950, the 6.5x54mm returned with an 18.5 inch carbine barrel that remained standard for that caliber throughout the Post War production.

5. The clip guides were removed during the transition from M1950 to the M1952, same applies to the swept back bolt handle. The so-called “GK” stock design was standard during the 1950-1952 series.

6. In 1964-65 US market MCAs was drilled and tapped for Redfield scope mounts

7. Early in the Post WWII production Steyr began to list the M-S as “available in 6.5mm”, which was taken in the USA to mean 6.5x54mm. In reality, the weapons were available in 6.5x54mm, 6.5x55mm, and 6.5x57mm. All of the 6.5x55mm and 6.5x57mm appear to be European products, blued bolts, but an American market example may turn up someday.

8. Through out the MCA production run, European market “NO” models with blued bolts and “GK” style stocks were produced in assorted metric calibers (6.5x55, 6.5x57, 7x64, 8x57, 9.3x62) and some US calibers.

9. Although Mannlicher-Schoenauer production officially ceased in 1968, some examples have been observed with proofmarks indicating 1970 and later as the final year of assembly.

10. For a serious case of confusion, see the Mannlicher-Schoenauer section of the Shooter’s Bible #53 of 1962. Therein are listed the 1961-MCA, 1960-MC, 1952-GK, Magnum, and Premier, all have differences. This situation continued until the 1965 issue.

11. The only metric calibers offered to the US market after 1960 are 6.5x54mm, 7x57mm, 6.5x68mm, and 8x68mm. However, unofficially, the 7x64mm and 8x57mm were offered as USA special orders throughout Post War production.

12. During the M1950-M1952 series production run, Stoegers listed 18 variations of the Mannlicher-Schoenauer in their catalogues.

13. The M1950 NO series was listed by Albrecht Kind as being offered in 6.5x54, 6.5x55, 6.5x57, 6.5x68, 7x57, 7x64, 8x57 JS, 8x60S, 8x68, 9.3x62, .243, .244, .270, .280, .308, .30-06.

14. The Model MC appears in catalogues as both 1956-MC, and 1960-MC

15. It is possible that either the M1924 or the NO series included the 9.3x57mm chambering. No factory Mannlicher-Schoenauer in that caliber has been formally observed.

16. World War II era production was marked “Made in Germany”. With German proof marks.

17. The latest observed proof date for a post WWII Mannlicher-Schoenauer is 1971.

18. Do not accept this listing as all inclusive of Mannlicher-Schoenauer factory chamberings. Others are known to exist in limited quantity.
 
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Rob have you ever seen an 8x57 MCA or 1925 in Canada? Also seeing some 1950’s in that cal online, that would really be the holy grail for me

Can anyone go over the process of reloading for the 1908 8x56 using 8x57 brass? Does it only take dies and 1mm of trimming? There was one in amazing shape at the Easter gun show in Calgary last year for a song, I don’t think it went. Regrets

I need another MS, surprised they don’t have more fans in my generation like the 98. Doesn’t seem to affect prices though…
 
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conor_90 said:
Rob have you ever seen an 8x57 MCA or 1925 in Canada? Also seeing some 1950’s in that cal online, that would really be the holy grail for me

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I really don't know...I have never kept records. I've owned quite a few M-S rifles, and have examined many more. The most I ever saw in one place was a walk-in gun vault in Western Canada with rows of Mannlichers, my favorite being an all original full-stock carbine factory chambered in 6.5x55 Swedish. That was in the late 80's and I am sure the elderly collector has passed on by now. No idea what happened to all those Mannlicher rifles.
 
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