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dgradinaru
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put a pachmyr red pad on this zastava 8x57
honestly I have not found a load that doesn't throw the third shot or give massive groupings, I thought 1.5-2 groups with a third shot flier opening them up from 1 moa range were bad until I tried lighter bullets in factory loads and got 3 inch groups consistently.
With an adjusted trigger, some different bullets and powders and the new pad we will see if it's me or the gun.
Try 170gr hornady sst with 49grs of imr 4064 for 1/2 groups @2650fps. My previous zastava full stock in 8x57 was an excellent shooter. I found that 4064,3031,4895 were excellent performers.
Did you have to trim down the butt pad?
The butt pad presumably was small enough, I had asked the gunsmith to trim it down if it was too large as the lop on these rifles is already verging on too long for me. I haven't measure it but they do very good work (corlanes) and it doesn't seem any longer than the factory configuration.
I'm a bit shy of lighter bullets after my experience with the hornady european ammo (can't remember the name) with 170 grain gmx. With the handloads I tested some of the groups certainly show sub moa potential with the exception of the flyer, I was playing around with the powder charges that produced these groups and then work picked up and winter came. Something to experiment with during the summer for sure.
I'm a bit shy of lighter bullets after my experience with the hornady european ammo (can't remember the name) with 170 grain gmx. With the handloads I tested some of the groups certainly show sub moa potential with the exception of the flyer, I was playing around with the powder charges that produced these groups and then work picked up and winter came. Something to experiment with during the summer for sure.
dgradinaru
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I haven't had any issues with any 8mm Bullets. I pretty much used them all from 150-220gr. Shot deer, bear, and moose with ease. Most 8mm bullets are made for 8x57 velocities. You might want to consider bedding your action aswell. I did that to 2 of my Zastava 8mm's and the groups improved greatly.
Heres a thread i made about 8mm bullets.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1359350-8mm-323dia-hunting-bullets-testing-gt-Pic-Heavy-lt
Below are some game animals i got with the good old 8mm
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1552646-The-8MM-Mauser-(-8x57JS)-ain-t-no-slouch-*Update-Bear-Down!*
if you do not like the wood or the fitting try a laminate stock from boyds it fits my lh 9.3x3x62 so good i do not recognize the rifle and it was already great before.
with the help of our whynot? for the fitting and the bedding. will shoot it tomorrow and will report but this is not a mannlicher stock ...
I was thinking of swapping it out for a synthetic stock, but now that I have spent money on the new recoil pad not to mention how nice the stock is I will keep it
around.
Before adjusting the trigger had a lot of creep and a heavy pull. I think this alone might bring my groups into a more acceptable range.
Dgradinaru did you ever try the privi bullets? It could just be a one off with the factory ammo and the gun likes 170's just fine...
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Before adjusting the trigger had a lot of creep and a heavy pull. I think this alone might bring my groups into a more acceptable range.
Dgradinaru did you ever try the privi bullets? It could just be a one off with the factory ammo and the gun likes 170's just fine...
dgradinaru
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I haven't really got around on trying the privi made bullets. I have the 175 gr and 196gr bullets to reload, just need to make time. Privi factory ammo is very underpowered so I haven't bought some.
Their 196 grain sp's are the ones giving me 1.5-2 inches depending on the load with the good loads being a tight grouping of the first shots and a third thrown to extend the group.
I need to try more powders, bullets and projectiles for sure.
I need to try more powders, bullets and projectiles for sure.
Veering back onto topic: A few Sakos from the bottom: a .222 from the mid-50's, a .243 from the early 60's, and a .22LR from the 70's. The top rifle is a .308 but it was one of the heavier bulky ones made after approx. 1972, so I sold it.
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It shoots consistently into one inch or less at 100 yds. w/ older model 4X 26mm Schmidt & Bender scope using discount brand factory ammo: Prvi Partizan 222 Rem. 50gr S.P. I picked up a pile of it a couple of years ago from a dealer who was liquidating his ammo stock, $5. per box of 20. So its the only .222 ammo that I shoot.
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I agree, except that most Sakos are very easy to work on because they are basically just modified Mausers...however I understand that the Finnwolf is a complex terror to take down and ever get back together again. I'm told that most gunsmiths avoid them. Aside from that, they seem great.
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I call the 9.3 my "Tiger Rifle." (Not that I have ever seen a Tiger in the wild). The full length striped walnut is great and also the stock is the slim version with a narrow grip. CZ later went to a much bulkier and heavier stock...and now, as of 2017 they have discontinued all their full stock rifles, even the .22s. I think as well they have discontinued a lot of the regular half stock 550 series. Its all too bad because the CZ 550s were always a lot of (and apparently finally too much) rifle for the money.
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I call the 9.3 my "Tiger Rifle." (Not that I have ever even seen a Tiger in the wild). The full length striped walnut is great and also the stock is the slim version with a narrow grip. CZ later went to a much bulkier and heavier stock...and now, as of 2017 they have discontinued all their full stock rifles, even the .22s. I think as well they have discontinued a lot of the regular half stock 550 series. Its all too bad because the CZ 550s were always a lot of (and apparently finally too much) rifle for the money.
Deedless to say, Brno/CZ manufacture rifles that are worth more than what they cost. BTW, I believe that the stripes are called, "fiddleback."
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Actually I believe the terms "fiddle back & tiger stripe come from back in the flintlock era cottage industry of the time. fiddle-back refers to the natural wood grain stocks & tiger stripe refers to a stock that was wrapped with coal oil soaked rope & the rope set a-fire and burned to a stage that pleased the stock maker or customer, who ever was doing the burning, a very common practice back then.
Perhaps, but I don't think there have ever been any hard and fast definitions for those terms and once again, all the Yank terms were generally developed in relationship to maple not walnut...I think we are free to use whatever terms we want for striped European walnut. I just call it my Tiger Gun for fun because of the stripes in the walnut and the serious tiger/lion calibre. (I doubt if I'll ever shoot a big cat, although I have used 9.3 very successfully on some bear and deer.)
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