March of german prisoners in Moscow
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I agree with you to some extent, but it wasn't that simple either.
The Wehrmacht was also involved in war crimes and not all SS units completely flaunted the rules of war.
If you search on the internet you will find some famous photos of war crimes, for example of Germans shooting civilians in Warsaw. The uniforms give them away as Wehrmacht, not SS, not SD not Gestapo. The telling sign is the collar: "Kragenspiegel".
The military leaders of the Wehrmacht and the Heer (army) were convicted and executed at Nuremberg for war crimes (Keitl and Jodl).
In general from what I 've read the war at the eastern front was much worse that everywhere else. In war there will always be atrocities and war crimes by all sides but what happend in the east was well beyond that.
The real historical tragedy was for the peoples of eastern europe who had the choice between the two greatest evils in the history of the 20th century (ok Mao was up there too).
It is telling though that most sided with the Germans.
Little known fact that somewhere between a quarter and third of all soldiers on the eastern front were not Germans but Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Italians, Kroats even volunteers from Belgium, Spain and France. There were even Ukrainians, Cossacks and Russians who fought on the German side hoping to dispose of Stalin. The Russians (Vlassov army) by the way turned over to Stalin for summary execution after they surrendered to the Brits.
The Finns and the Poles didn't really have a choice in the matter a they were attacked. Most others did and with the exception of the Serbs fought on the German side.
With the exception of Greece, Yugoslavia and Finnland all ended up under Stalinist rule unitl the 90s.
The Finns deserve admiration, they successfully defended against Stalin by making the Russians pay a very high price in blood. More impressive considering Stalin was not perturbed by his soldiers paying a high price.
Some very good movies for histoyr buffs out thre about the Finnish winter war.
It is telling though that most sided with the Germans.
Little known fact that somewhere between a quarter and third of all soldiers on the eastern front were not Germans but Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Italians, Kroats even volunteers from Belgium, Spain and France. There were even Ukrainians, Cossacks and Russians who fought on the German side hoping to dispose of Stalin. The Russians (Vlassov army) by the way turned over to Stalin for summary execution after they surrendered to the Brits.
The Finns and the Poles didn't really have a choice in the matter a they were attacked. Most others did and with the exception of the Serbs fought on the German side.
With the exception of Greece, Yugoslavia and Finnland all ended up under Stalinist rule unitl the 90s.
The Finns deserve admiration, they successfully defended against Stalin by making the Russians pay a very high price in blood. More impressive considering Stalin was not perturbed by his soldiers paying a high price.
Some very good movies for histoyr buffs out thre about the Finnish winter war.
A large number of these high level germans hanged for their dominant role in WW2.
In former german occupied territores, a large numbers of german collaborator where also executed or imprisonet after WW2, as well as a large number of german captured russian soldiers, who had served the Third Reich as Hitler soldiers, were all send back to Stalin, including those who fled to neutral Sweden, were also, by the swedish government, send back to Russia, to a certain dead in the hands of Stalin.
From what I have studiet of WW2, in particluarily from Scandinavia, that even includet 300 SS soldiers from neutral Sweden, I found that the germans, like most places they had occupied, had no problems in recruiting SS soldiers for their and everybody's "War against the Bolcheviks", "War against the Subhuman, Slavic race", etc etc, and normal everyday people in all these countries accepted the german invitation to come and kill Russians.
No wonder the Russians got p.....
In former german occupied territores, a large numbers of german collaborator where also executed or imprisonet after WW2, as well as a large number of german captured russian soldiers, who had served the Third Reich as Hitler soldiers, were all send back to Stalin, including those who fled to neutral Sweden, were also, by the swedish government, send back to Russia, to a certain dead in the hands of Stalin.
From what I have studiet of WW2, in particluarily from Scandinavia, that even includet 300 SS soldiers from neutral Sweden, I found that the germans, like most places they had occupied, had no problems in recruiting SS soldiers for their and everybody's "War against the Bolcheviks", "War against the Subhuman, Slavic race", etc etc, and normal everyday people in all these countries accepted the german invitation to come and kill Russians.
No wonder the Russians got p.....
That's it, I've had enough of your fascist garbage. i have read some of you other posts in other threads.
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K98action ?
Exactly. I have pm'ed some mods. This piece of s**t needs to go.
Listen when Hitler demanded Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia returned to Germany the Czechs complied.
Same as when he demanded the Ruhr area from France, they gave it back.
The Poles wanted to act pompous and greedy and would not return land which they had no claim to (Danzig Corridor).
Thus they were invaded and obliterated and mankind's most tragic conflict was the end result.
The mistreatment of Germans in the Danzig corridor by Poles is well documented, and that fanned the flames of war greatly for the German populace.
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And being such a nice, reasonable chap who only wanted what was rightfully Germany's, he took the rest of their country, too.
And being such a nice, reasonable chap who only wanted what was rightfully Germany's, he took the rest of their country, too.
And being such a nice, reasonable chap who only wanted what was rightfully Germany's, he took the rest of their country, too, and split it with his nice, reasonable bosom buddy Stalin, with whom he was later to have a bit of a misunderstanding, caused by ... (insert anyone but Hitler and/or the Germans here.)
Ah, yes, I see now, how it was Poland's fault. Except for the bits that were the Jews' fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5WoLnOOlU
I was in the Soviet Union in 1964 (Lituania), and the scars from WW2 fightings was still evident around the harbor of Klaipeda, even though the grass had overgrown the bombed and burned out buildings, the still standing chimmey told where there used to a house.
Also, it was the first time I ever encountered armed female (the mean looking and husky type) as guards around the harbor area, and the russian toke a visual tally of us before we left the harbor, and followed our cargo ship with search lights, until we had disappeared over the horizon, as well as sweeping the water around our ship, in order to deter anyone from trying to escape the Soviet Union.
Sometimes, the russians would search the ship for stowaways with sniffer dogs, before the ship left the Soviet Union.
Also, the local "Sailors Club", which had a bar, with lots of drunks at the ground floor, had a first floor, a library with book in many languages about communisme, which I was free to take along. I was the only one from my ship to visit this library
Also, it was the first time I ever encountered armed female (the mean looking and husky type) as guards around the harbor area, and the russian toke a visual tally of us before we left the harbor, and followed our cargo ship with search lights, until we had disappeared over the horizon, as well as sweeping the water around our ship, in order to deter anyone from trying to escape the Soviet Union.
Sometimes, the russians would search the ship for stowaways with sniffer dogs, before the ship left the Soviet Union.
Also, the local "Sailors Club", which had a bar, with lots of drunks at the ground floor, had a first floor, a library with book in many languages about communisme, which I was free to take along. I was the only one from my ship to visit this library
Media favors painting Germany as the evil society that it was.
Take a look at the Nuremberg trial; most of the commanding SS/Hitler officers either committed "suicide" or got sentenced/executed very quickly because they could not run the risk of the truth being told.
Plus they had bogus witnesses that lied and exaggerated to help with this.
Germany was technologically far superior to any country at the time and towards the war there was a race between Russia and US to get that technology (US got most of it).
The bottom line is that Stalin did not get convicted for genocide of his own people, neither did US for dropping 2 atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The truth lies back in history and there are very few people that are still alive that know the truth.
Take a look at the Nuremberg trial; most of the commanding SS/Hitler officers either committed "suicide" or got sentenced/executed very quickly because they could not run the risk of the truth being told.
Plus they had bogus witnesses that lied and exaggerated to help with this.
Germany was technologically far superior to any country at the time and towards the war there was a race between Russia and US to get that technology (US got most of it).
The bottom line is that Stalin did not get convicted for genocide of his own people, neither did US for dropping 2 atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The truth lies back in history and there are very few people that are still alive that know the truth.
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Don't worry about it Talquin, I actually almost immediatedly edited my post after reconsidering what I wrote, we are talking about people who passed on long ago after all. - and you are right on about revisionist history, some idiots will spew any nonsense about WWII and the current generations up and coming are only too willing to believe these revisionist stories. - And whatever happened to mausermaniac?
Talk about the mother of all #####slaps though, that must have sucked to know that your life was going to end slowly & painfully over a period of about 7 years if you were lucky.
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we are talking about people who passed on long ago after all. - and you are right on about revisionist history, some idiots will spew any nonsense about WWII and the current generations up and coming are only too willing to believe these revisionist stories. - And whatever happened to mausermaniac? Talk about the mother of all #####slaps though, that must have sucked to know that your life was going to end slowly & painfully over a period of about 7 years if you were lucky.
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Im pretty sure Mausermaniac was a previously banned member under another login. Probably K98Action......so basically a Nazi Antisemite Racist piece of sheet . . Im surprised he didnt' go on about the holocaust being exagerated and the Aryan Race doing their duty.
. Im surprised he didnt' go on about the holocaust being exagerated and the Aryan Race doing their duty.
Right, the media has been lying since that war started in 1933, and we get the haters and trolls spreading those lies here.
We were told that we won that war - the communists won, and have been spreading their vile propaganda ever since, (including gun control) and we see their stuff repeated here by way of the fools, haters and trolls who repeat their lies.
General George S. Patton U.S.A., who had first hand experience of both Soviets and Germans said after the war "We fought on the wrong side".
He was murdered for saying that, so probably told the truth.
Telling the truth in public has not been a guarantee of a long life - note that Jesus Christ made it to only 33 years old. Karen Silkwood, Rachel Corrie, countless others.
We were told that we won that war - the communists won, and have been spreading their vile propaganda ever since, (including gun control) and we see their stuff repeated here by way of the fools, haters and trolls who repeat their lies.
General George S. Patton U.S.A., who had first hand experience of both Soviets and Germans said after the war "We fought on the wrong side".
He was murdered for saying that, so probably told the truth.
Telling the truth in public has not been a guarantee of a long life - note that Jesus Christ made it to only 33 years old. Karen Silkwood, Rachel Corrie, countless others.
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I do believe I think I know what you mean, the grain fed Prairie Girls that are big enough to burn Diesel!
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TNT you want the truth(?),you cannot handle the truth. Stalin should be hanged, not only for killing his own people. If you asking me, Germany should be treated the same way as Japan, to bad they surrendered so quickly....Didn't they wanted TOTAL WAR after all? Technologically superior?
If Hitler had nukes, he would use it. Wait, USA had them. The main reason the Germans got their a*s spanked, is because of RADAR. Wait, England had them. I don't have to remind you about superiority of Rolls Royce Merlin engine in Spitfire fighter plane during 1940 Battle of Britain, never mind Mustang latter in war. " Supperior" code machine ENIGMA was cracked by Poles and Britisch even before the war! I will give it to You: Mr Mauser was very well qualifyed to sweep the floor in John Browning shop. Well, if it comes to German superiority in inventing concentration camps and super advanced gas chambers on the other hand....I totally agree.
