Marine shotguns
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Right. My Stainless S&W 629 hasn't a spot on it, nor would it. To say stainless guns rust is just incorrect imho. Further, it's actually cheaper to make a revolver out of stainless than it is to make it out of high carbon steel and blue it.
Why on earth this same reality doesn't apply to a shotgun flabbergasts me.
Who do I appeal to, Gun Jesus? What shall I sacrifice for a stainless 870 Wingmaster?
We typically don't CCW our stainless handguns here in Canada, nor have them stored in our glovebox, much less in super humid, coastal sal####er environments like you find in Florida and other U.S. states, so rusty stainless is hardly going to be an issue like it can be down there.
https://www.sdi.edu/how-to-get-rust-off-a-stainless-steel-gun/
Me, I wouldn't mind a stainless shotgun, just for the Miami Vice vibes and because its easy to polish our scratches.
However I wouldn't expect it be be super duper weatherproof in actual use, at least not somewhere like out here on the B.C. coast.
https://www.sdi.edu/how-to-get-rust-off-a-stainless-steel-gun/
Me, I wouldn't mind a stainless shotgun, just for the Miami Vice vibes and because its easy to polish our scratches.
However I wouldn't expect it be be super duper weatherproof in actual use, at least not somewhere like out here on the B.C. coast.
^^^The article doesn't have one picture of an actual rusted stainless gun though? Bueller? Bueller?
^^^The article doesn't have one picture of an actual rusted stainless gun though? Bueller? Bueller?
Are you actually arguing that stainless doesn't rust?
When they say rust, it’s a relative term. Some stainless is more rust resistant than others depending on the chemical make up. If it can be heat treated it will rust eventually. And by rust I mean usually a slight orange discolouration that can usually be wiped off.You will never get the type of rust you will get on plain carbon steel. A stainless gun would have to be in seriously adverse conditions to for a long time to get deep pitting. The type of stainless that is totally impervious to rust is generally unsuitable for firearms. One of the early issues when they started making guns out of stainless especially semi’s was that stainless on stainless tends to gall and they had to be constantly oiled. Metallurgy is night and day different from 40 years ago.
So yes a stainless gun will rust eventually. But to result in any significant permanent damage would be the result of outright neglect.
So yes a stainless gun will rust eventually. But to result in any significant permanent damage would be the result of outright neglect.
If you are aware of a "marine" shotgun that was ever machined completely out of actual 9Cr14MoV stainless steel, let me know. But even then, it would not be as corrosion resistant as triple plated crome.
The early winchester 1200 was the only one I am aware of that went all the way got this right.
The original Winchester 1200 Stainless Marine was only built for a decade or so. It has an aluminum receiver and stainless steel barrel. The entire gun and all of its parts are hard chromed using the triple plating process. Triple plate is the most expensive and durable process, which involves plating the steel first with copper and then nickel before the chromium plating is applied. The gun is "stainless" by process of chrome Triple plating.
Don't be fooled into thinking that any of today's spray on coatings, or even just nickel plating make your "marine" shotgun gun as "stainless "as triple plate chrome, or that they are machined from stainless steel alloy (which would fall way short of chromium finish anyway)
A Smith & Wesson revolver for instance is a whole other story. They are made with 9Cr14MoV: A high-quality stainless steel. Same as some rifles. And absolutely, the carbon in this steel can oxidize and corrode, although not aggressively.
Edit: I have corrected these comments for accuracy after learning more.
The early winchester 1200 was the only one I am aware of that went all the way got this right.
The original Winchester 1200 Stainless Marine was only built for a decade or so. It has an aluminum receiver and stainless steel barrel. The entire gun and all of its parts are hard chromed using the triple plating process. Triple plate is the most expensive and durable process, which involves plating the steel first with copper and then nickel before the chromium plating is applied. The gun is "stainless" by process of chrome Triple plating.
Don't be fooled into thinking that any of today's spray on coatings, or even just nickel plating make your "marine" shotgun gun as "stainless "as triple plate chrome, or that they are machined from stainless steel alloy (which would fall way short of chromium finish anyway)
A Smith & Wesson revolver for instance is a whole other story. They are made with 9Cr14MoV: A high-quality stainless steel. Same as some rifles. And absolutely, the carbon in this steel can oxidize and corrode, although not aggressively.
Edit: I have corrected these comments for accuracy after learning more.
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You can literally just google it and find all sorts of pictures. The Science behind it is also very simple. The iron doesn't just become something else because other elements are present.
Some reading...
https://www.worldstainless.org/File...t_and_its_use_in_ranking_stainless_steels.pdf
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Okay, this I can agree with. So, why aren't shotguns built in stainless? Stainless receiver, barrel/s.
Because 9Cr14MoV Stainless steel ( suitable for making firearms), is not the best choice for resisting a "marine" environment. The best choice is triple plated chromed steel or aluminum. This is a well settled debate in industry.
Nickel plating is ok, but stops short of hard chrome. Simply a cost cutting issue.
If your truly in need of a serious marine shotgun, the 1980's Winchester 1200 is the only choice (the stainless marine or stainless police). All others fall short.
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We don't have to show you anything ..... if you would take 10 min to google the mater you would have your answer!
Why don't you dump your Stainless S&W 629 in a bucket of salt water for a year .... just as an experiment ... and to prove to us that stainless does not rust ... and you get back to us with the result in a year from now!
Why don't you prove to us that stainless will not rust!!
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We don't have to show you anything ..... if you would take 10 min to google the mater you would have your answer!
Why don't you dump your Stainless S&W 629 in a bucket of salt water for a year .... just as an experiment ... and to prove to us that stainless does not rust ... and you get back to us with the result in a year from now!
Why don't you prove to us that stainless will not rust!!
Shhhhhhh. back in the hole whence you came! The adults are talking.
t3at, whomsoever leaves a gun in a bucket of salt water for a year gets just what he deserves. We're clearly not talking about abuse/neglect.
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This fer sure & use a proper marine grade lube like Jet Lube 12/34 or Rust Cure Formula 3000. Never an issue with my guns or vehicles keepin' corrosion at bay.
Well ... then be a man ... and get the answers yourself ... instead of asking for proof on here ...
Although I was an early fan of theirs, TGS snuck that one by me. Thanks for posting it.
