Masterpiece Arms MPAR 556, cheap AR15 competitor?

All masterpiece arms has so far is a solidworks drawing. Thats pretty far from making empty cases. I hope to be shooting Armedsask's gun within a year.
 
If they had a prototype they would be showing it off. I have been wrong before, lots of times. I don't see getting from a solidworks drawing to shipping production rifles by April. And then they need to get the rifle to here get an FRT #. Also at MSRP of almost a grand US it will be 1600 here easily. Remember GSG had an actual non vaporware STG-44 at SHOT last year, has anyone seen one yet?, there are often big delays between drawings and empty cases. Besides who cares about Masterpiece arms, everyone already wants Armedsask's rifle anyhow :D
 
Armedsask - the industry is filled with look-a likes, copy-cats, con-artists and thief's.

Just like every other industry.


Soldier on and build your product. Don't worry about competitors, especially ones who have nothing to show but a CAD model.
 
Looks like an interesting gun. But like others here have said already. If I have a choice between made in Canada and made elsewhere (assuming the prices/products are competetive) I am a home'r everytime.

Armedsask, When your rifles start rolling out, I would like mine with a Canadian Flag etched into it???
 
You have nothing to worry about. That will be classified as a variant of the AR-15. It doesn't matter what upper looks like, the upper isn't the firearm. The lower is the firearm, and he clearly modified an AR-15 lower to create that. If you base your design off of a certain gun, it doesn't matter that you changed it, the fact that you started with it makes it a variant of that firearm.
 
kombayotch said:
You have nothing to worry about. That will be classified as a variant of the AR-15. It doesn't matter what upper looks like, the upper isn't the firearm. The lower is the firearm, and he clearly modified an AR-15 lower to create that. If you base your design off of a certain gun, it doesn't matter that you changed it, the fact that you started with it makes it a variant of that firearm.
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I disagree. My AR180B lower is essentially all the features of an AR15 lower but it won't fire an AR15 upper. Not a variant.

If the MPAR is a variant, it would be a variant of an AR18 or AR180.
 
It isn't about uppers fitting or features being similar, its about how the design came to be. When you start from scratch, you're creating something new. When you take an existing design and start modifying it, you now have a variant.

Now that I take a second look at the pictures, I see that you are right about it not being a variant of the AR-15. I was looking at the bottom picture, which I now see is not the MPAR, but an older design (Volk) that did use an AR-15 lower (or a blank casting) as the basis for it. Those Volk rifles definitely would be variants.
 
Hold on a sec... that Volk rifle is yours, isn't it. And I'm guessing that it isn't a casting, but made from scratch? Ok... that makes sense. You have the design history to show that it evolved form your original AR-180B lower. So, its a variant of the AR-180B...

The easiest solution as far as re-using AR parts goes, would be to create an upper similar to the ZM-Weapons LR-300 that goes on that AR-180B lower.
http://firearmsandtraining.########.ca/2009/01/z-m-weapons-lr300-take-down-details.html
 
misanthropist said:
Six months away? Or Robinson Arms six months?
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Bahahahaha Laugh2. We have a winner, close this thread as this just can't be topped.

At any rate the more non-restricted black rifles in the market the better IMO. The price on the MPAR 556 is pretty appealing, hope it can be brought to Canadian market at a decent price point.

Don't worry Armedsask, we'll still embrace yours. Just bring it to market and if it's non-res it'll sell fast. Best part is yours won't have import fees and duties / wholesalers fees attached so perhaps yours can be kept under $1000.
 
loki_81 said:
Bahahahaha Laugh2. We have a winner, close this thread as this just can't be topped.

At any rate the more non-restricted black rifles in the market the better IMO. The price on the MPAR 556 is pretty appealing, hope it can be brought to Canadian market at a decent price point.

Don't worry Armedsask, we'll still embrace yours. Just bring it to market and if it's non-res it'll sell fast. Best part is yours won't have import fees and duties / wholesalers fees attached so perhaps yours can be kept under $1000.
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I hope I'm wrong but I don't see under 1K as being realistic.

There are just too many costs associated with producing a product like this for a limited market to keep the cost that low. Plus the guy deserves to make a decent buck if he gets a homegrown rifle to market.
 
Davy Crockett said:
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see under 1K as being realistic.

There are just too many costs associated with producing a product like this for a limited market to keep the cost that low. Plus the guy deserves to make a decent buck if he gets a homegrown rifle to market.
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Exactly, and given the pricing of the competition for the NR black rifle crown, why would you aim for $1000?

I bet he'd shift enough to make him happy at $2500 ish.
 
kombayotch said:
Hold on a sec... that Volk rifle is yours, isn't it. And I'm guessing that it isn't a casting, but made from scratch? Ok... that makes sense. You have the design history to show that it evolved form your original AR-180B lower. So, its a variant of the AR-180B...

The easiest solution as far as re-using AR parts goes, would be to create an upper similar to the ZM-Weapons LR-300 that goes on that AR-180B lower.
http://firearmsandtraining.########.ca/2009/01/z-m-weapons-lr300-take-down-details.html
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Good thing you noticed, I was about to school you! :D

You can't use an AR15 casting with an AR180B upper. The upper is too long. Also, the bolt carrier is longer so the hammer has to be further back. There are a number of key dimensions that do not allow the use of an AR15 casting. Believe me, I thoroughly investigated that option.
 
If you can build a quality non restricted black rifle similar to the AR180b that is can accept some accessories and get it to market for under $2000 I'm in. For $2000-$2500 I'll think about it for a couple minutes before I buy it. If it's $1500 or less good luck keeping up with the demand.
It has to be more accurate than my AR180b was though. That was the only negative I had with that rifle. I couldn't find ammo that would shoot better than 2-3MOA (on a good day). Loved it other than that.

Keep going, the market for what your building is big here.

And back on topic, if that comes to Canada as non restricted for a decent price I guess I have to buy one of them as well.:)
 
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