Match result wait times

As long as all the scorecards are legible, it should take about 10 seconds to enter a score card. So 6 stages at 50 competitors should take less than an hour.

If you're doing verifications or have scoring issues, of course, it will take longer.
 
The more i read about the anal IPSC crap the more it drives me to fun shooting sports like Cowboy Action, for cripes sake lighten up, people put there spare time and effort into this, so friigin what if it takes an extra day or two for match results get over it.

feel free to not participate and stay in Cowboy action. we pay money to shoot a match, and expect it to be run properly. if clubs out here start taking days to post scores, they will see attendance drop off quite quickly. As HB states, it's really not that difficult.
 
The more i read about the anal IPSC crap the more it drives me to fun shooting sports like Cowboy Action, for cripes sake lighten up, people put there spare time and effort into this, so friigin what if it takes an extra day or two for match results get over it.

Secon Wind,
you are a good man, I know you are, but just imagine one thing some of those who compete they like to know right away how they have finished and onnnneeeee extra day matters. You go to watch Leafs playing and 10 minutes before end, lights go down and you must leave.
When everyone leaves, they finish the game and they will let you know about the result whenever they fill like it, unless you come and spit shine all their hockey shoes :D
In my opinion this is very disrespectful to the competitors when they wait for results and send a bad message about IPSC. It looks like some clubs are only interested with making money out of IPSC but not doing the whole thing.
As for helping little bit?
What help you are talking about? Entering the results, tearing down? and how much faster the results will come...
 
You guys really don't get it.

Stop comparing Ontario to the other sections. We're not talking about 15 matches that are run under the guidance of the sections BOD...were talking about 120 matches most of which are administered by a local club.

The scores for level 3's in Ontario are ready within an hour of the last shot being fired. Nothing to complain about.

For the other 115ish matches...The issue with local clubs is a complete lack of help. The same people who build the match...work it for the duration...also do the tear down. The last thing they want to do...is go home that nite (completely exhausted) and do stats.

Not happy with the wait times? Do what I go. Take the score sheets home and do the stats yourself. The MD will not say no to the extra help.

Keep it up as is (relying on a small group of people to carry the load) I think waiting for stats will become less of a problem...there will be fewer matches.
 
Remember when we had to wait for next months Sitrep to come out to see your scores...the Internet is a wonderful thing, it has also created a culture of impatient people who demand everything RIGHT NOW.
Here are some of my thoughts:
Shooters: remember that the workers have put in a lot of effort to put on the match and to comply with club rules the ranges have to be cleaned first and everything put away before leaving...the scores can then be done once the stats person (who may or may not have also been the MD, CRO, RO, RM, build and teardown staff) If they don't get them done that night, they have to wait until after going to and returning from their day job on Monday and then email them off. For my self I have been working evening and weekend shifts Tuesday through Saturday. If I receive them on Monday I can get them up that day, if not I will likely not see them till Wednesday morning when I next check my email. Then they will be posted. Generally it will take me an extra day from when I get them. Sorry, but I gotta pay bills.
Match directors: realize that there are basically two types that shoot this sport, those that shoot it for fun, and competitive types. The fun shooters don't really care too much if they have to wait for their scores, if they see them at all, the competitors want them around the time they fire their last shot. In fairness to the competitors the match is for score and there is a responsibility to have the scores available as soon as possible. I have seen some MDs use generic club score sheets to score matches, these often cause issues because they are not a standard layout that scorekeepers are used to and they get creative on where they fill in times and scores which make stats a nightmare. MSS will create score sheets. Use these or make a duplicate if you are having the two copy ones made, Palm scoring may be the ultimate answer.
Scorekeepers: if you have taken on the job of scoring a stage, take the extra time to look at the layout of the score sheet and make sure you are entering the scored times in the right place and that you write CLEARLY also take the time to do the totals at the bottom of the sheet. The things that take the absolute longest when doing stats and cause stats people to pull their hair out is; guessing what the time is because it can't be read or is in the wrong place (is that the time of day or the time for the run?) and having to take the time on every score sheet ( 80 shooters X 8 stages is 640 score sheets, a fairly typical count in Ontario) to do the totals first so the scores can be entered.
We all need to take responsibility for making the match go smooth, patching and setting takes a load off the stage staff so they can get your scores done properly, helping out with running matches or if all else fails and you are still not happy how fast scores come out, volunteer to do stats! I doubt you will get turned away.
 
We'v had this discussion before...I believe most don't mind waiting a day or two or maybe even 3 days to get them for level 2's....but two of last weeks matches are still not posted....I'm guessing, that's what started this thread again....

I'm sure there are shooters who are not the stats guy for that match, but would be happy to take them home and upload them if reg. guy will be busy and needs help...
so all shooters who don't mind such, let your local club know that you're an option to go to if needed....
I'll let my home club know I can help..I just need to have the program for doing such and to be taught it....

I do agree that having results within 24 hrs...is nice, but not a must, as it is volunteer type work/hobby and not a regular business and using such comparisons is not quite the same...but also, after 3 days, baring any sickness or other good reason for such, is too long as well....
even the non-competative types like to see results, even for just sake of seeing them.....
 
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well, take the L2 match I shot yesterday - 6 stages, 40+ shooters... I would not expect nor require the MD/stats/etc to be typing in the scores in the evening, to be posted that night. As long as they are available within a day or two, I'm very happy. If they take longer than a week, it might get annoying... But come one, it's not like our lives depend on this, and remember, everyone doing work is doing it for the love of the sport, not for money. If the stats aren't done quickly enough for you, the standard reply is this: offer to help them to type them in, to make the process go faster...
 
I have a better idea. Why results at all?
Or maybe we should come with Ontario 'special', where we only post good results, round up results so we all gonna be exceptional shooters.
Come on guys, especially those who have been shooting, running matches for long time,
when a club decides on hosting a match should not only plan for building and tearing down stages but budget time for entering scores.
By the way, before someone starts bashing me, yes I have helped entering scores so I know how long it takes.
 
You guys really don't get it.
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For the other 115ish matches...The issue with local clubs is a complete lack of help. The same people who build the match...work it for the duration...also do the tear down. The last thing they want to do...is go home that nite (completely exhausted) and do stats.

I don't thing anyone is demanding to see the results right away, but I believe most of us agree that waiting for over a week is not acceptable. You are mentioned lack of help, I am sorry to say but that is also a lack of planning. If someone can't plan on getting scores delivered after the match, it is really better to not put the match at all. People would better go to the range on their own and find a better use for their money, e.g. get some practice instead of shooting match for nothing.
 
I don't thing anyone is demanding to see the results right away, but I believe most of us agree that waiting for over a week is not acceptable. You are mentioned lack of help, I am sorry to say but that is also a lack of planning. If someone can't plan on getting scores delivered after the match, it is really better to not put the match at all. People would better go to the range on their own and find a better use for their money, e.g. get some practice instead of shooting match for nothing.

It would only be for "nothing" if the results were NEVER submitted.......

Some clubs "plan" on getting the scores done...........LATER.

Back in the early EESA days I used to set up the stages alone, RO (I was the only EESA RO) then tear down, then run home to enter the scores until midnight or so.

THAT WAS JUST STUPID OF ME................and perhaps why I get quite so po'd when people complain about ,matches.......ANY matches.

Now luckily EESA has a great match team for spreading the load.
 
I don't thing anyone is demanding to see the results right away, but I believe most of us agree that waiting for over a week is not acceptable. You are mentioned lack of help, I am sorry to say but that is also a lack of planning. If someone can't plan on getting scores delivered after the match, it is really better to not put the match at all. People would better go to the range on their own and find a better use for their money, e.g. get some practice instead of shooting match for nothing.

I wish I could say what I really want to say to all the #####ers and whiners but I don't want to get kicked! Not meaning to single you out euxx, just happend to click on "quote" on your message cuz it was at the top, nothing personal.

Get over yourselves, your need to have everything you want when you want just cuz you had $20 in your hand on match day is just plan BS! Why is the ones that generally ##### the most do the least? If you don't like the way it is done then do it yourself and show us how you can do it better.

In stead of saying "damn it too you a week to post the results you suck", why not say "thanks for getting them up as soon as you could I understand it is a lot of work". You know why? Cuz most of you have no god damn clue what is involved in putting on multi day match with over 100 shooters. All you care about is yourself, you are like a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum. I want, I want. Whatever! :runaway:
 
You guys really don't get it.

Stop comparing Ontario to the other sections. We're not talking about 15 matches that are run under the guidance of the sections BOD...were talking about 120 matches most of which are administered by a local club.

The scores for level 3's in Ontario are ready within an hour of the last shot being fired. Nothing to complain about.


For the other 115ish matches...The issue with local clubs is a complete lack of help. The same people who build the match...work it for the duration...also do the tear down. The last thing they want to do...is go home that nite (completely exhausted) and do stats.

Not happy with the wait times? Do what I go. Take the score sheets home and do the stats yourself. The MD will not say no to the extra help.

Keep it up as is (relying on a small group of people to carry the load) I think waiting for stats will become less of a problem...there will be fewer matches.

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The thing is, we now easily have the technology to get the scores out within minutes of a match ending......all the tech is there. It is now a matter of instituting it.

I don't agree with having scores post days after a match i done.....I will not say that a club shouldn't host a match if they can't get them posted right away, but it also isn't fair to any competitor to have to wait for results, something that he/she paid for when they gave their fees to the match.

It has nothing to do with instant gratification....it has to do with responsibility to the shooters and competitors to collate their scores to compare themselves with fellow shooters!

Could you imagine going to a horse race, and they didn't post the results of a photo finish for a week, because they were to busy counting the money instead of looking at the tape?
 
just for info sake.
shot a monthly club match in Michigan today 7 stages, 124 rounds, 47 shooters. They've been using palm scoring for years now, first ones in the state to do so.
results were poseted to uspsa at 6pm, once the stats guy got home frm our after match drinking spot. The scores were done 5 min after the last shooter, double or triple the shooters and results are still done 5 min after last shot. just beam each stages palm into the master laptop an bobs your uncle. They picked up oldschool refurb palms off ebay for $15 ea and if i remember correclty it was a few hundred for the software. stats workload has been cut big time and results get out fast for those who care.
theres a few different versions of software out there, 2 different ones being used in Michigan. anyone shooting the MI state this weekend will be able to see it in action.
 
just for info sake.
shot a monthly club match in Michigan today 7 stages, 124 rounds, 47 shooters. They've been using palm scoring for years now, first ones in the state to do so.
results were poseted to uspsa at 6pm, once the stats guy got home frm our after match drinking spot. The scores were done 5 min after the last shooter, double or triple the shooters and results are still done 5 min after last shot. just beam each stages palm into the master laptop an bobs your uncle. They picked up oldschool refurb palms off ebay for $15 ea and if i remember correclty it was a few hundred for the software. stats workload has been cut big time and results get out fast for those who care.
theres a few different versions of software out there, 2 different ones being used in Michigan. anyone shooting the MI state this weekend will be able to see it in action.

Ugh. I was in Texas this year when the Palms had major issues. It was cold, and the palms had to be held right beside the printers otherwise the infrared didn't work. The scoring on the range took longer to go through while the competitor and the RO had to wait for the palm to print.

Stats still took about 4-7 days to get up on the Internet, though (I forget how long, it wasn't instant, in any case...). I think there were some issues where competitors didn't pay too close attention to their printouts because it was SOOOO freaking cold. It made getting final results a bit of an issue.
 
I gotta agree with Euxx. Plan on having someone do stats during the day. What do you do if there are scorecards missing, or if a shooter wants to challenge the score. No verification? Seriously, even doing it by hand (and yes I've done it), with a laptop doesn't take very long.
 
Well, the rules are quite clear. If there is an issue with a scorecard, and it is impossible for the competitor to reshoot, they receive 0 for that stage.

Competitors are also responsible for signing off that the score card was correct. Too many people don't bother counting up their hits when they're done.
 
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