McMillan stocks to Canada
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As I have been told by some in the Canadian gov, ITAR is intended to control countries, not individuals. It is just a way the USA gov is imposing gun control on its own citizens and businesses. It is that simple. Thank god that our current gov does not play this game. Anyone that thinks ITAR is saving anyones butt or has a practical reason to exist will probably vote for JT next time. I see it all the time on this forum, guys that think ITAR has a good reason to exist or that it is Canada's fault that it does. Rant off, again.
By the way, if anyone has some cash to invest I know a guy that knows how to make the best comp stocks. It is a tough, craft, labour intensive job. There is no reason some other Canadian company can not pick up and continue to make the best stocks in the world. The lack of moulds and other equipment is really not an issue when you know how to do it. The world is the market, especially from Canada.
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- Grande Prairie
well damn there goes my hopes of getting a Mcmillan stock for my coyote soon
For small volume, can you not just use RTV rubber of the right durometer with a solid backing (box) to make the mold?
rubbers can be used in many ways..... rtv maybe for some small stuff or for a vacuum skin over.
Ian's experience is vast over mine hehehe so i'll wait for his answer
but in my limitted experience of about 10 years now or so...... machined aluminum 10,000K molds are getting to be stoneage tooling from what I have learned in the past few years but is what is widely used by some.
there's a neat video floating around by AG composites out of the states showing their method of laying prepreg carbon fiber into their machined molds and presto..... out comes a 100% (less resin) carbon fiber stock..... knowing what I know, I'll pass on the straight carbon fiber units.
stuffing a bunch of the latest greatest composites and resins into a mold and baking it in the oven doesn't necessarily make "the best stock in the world" LOL
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- AB foothills
I been at it for several years now and have no need to advertise
So why tell us then?
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- AB foothills
Well, at first he chimes in with this wonderful idea:
And then he tells us he makes composite stocks but is not taking orders.... Why not just sit back and not say anything then?
I removed my posts for the complainers.
sorry if my posts bothered you crazy Davey , just giving my perspective from a guy who makes stocks..... though currently not as a business..
there IS a market in Canada is what I was referring too
and to say, that there IS, composite stock makers in Canada that if everyone could get past the mcmillans and look around..... they might find a decent stock themselves.
I posted that I am not taking orders and not "in the business" of making stocks because I do not want to give the impression that I am soliciting for such because I am not and I do not currently make stocks for money.
fair enough?
excuse me for expressing my thoughts in a thread that pertains to my interests
back to you guys-------> how about those mcmillans eh?
sorry if my posts bothered you crazy Davey , just giving my perspective from a guy who makes stocks..... though currently not as a business..
there IS a market in Canada is what I was referring too
and to say, that there IS, composite stock makers in Canada that if everyone could get past the mcmillans and look around..... they might find a decent stock themselves.
I posted that I am not taking orders and not "in the business" of making stocks because I do not want to give the impression that I am soliciting for such because I am not and I do not currently make stocks for money.
fair enough?
excuse me for expressing my thoughts in a thread that pertains to my interests
back to you guys-------> how about those mcmillans eh?
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You will know if you have read my posts/reviews about tactical rifles that I am a very big fan on the McMillian A5 but I'll say this: for a tactical or precision rifle you will be well served (and save a lot of money) if you consider the B+C range. I am currently playing with two; a fully adjustable A5 and the A3 w/hook and where it matters - holes in paper - it is hard to justify the much more expensive McM stocks.
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- AB foothills
I removed my posts for the complainers.
sorry if my posts bothered you crazy Davey , just giving my perspective from a guy who makes stocks..... though currently not as a business..
there IS a market in Canada is what I was referring too
and to say, that there IS, composite stock makers in Canada that if everyone could get past the mcmillans and look around..... they might find a decent stock themselves.
I posted that I am not taking orders and not "in the business" of making stocks because I do not want to give the impression that I am soliciting for such because I am not and I do not currently make stocks for money.
fair enough?
excuse me for expressing my thoughts in a thread that pertains to my interests
back to you guys-------> how about those mcmillans eh?
OK, so we cant get one of the world famous 45ACPking's stocks. There is one of the Canadian makers off of the list. So why not add to the thread and tell us who else is making quality composite stocks in Canada? I know of very few and as far as I know they offer nothing that I am looking for, McMillan does.
So please, enlighten us...
there are several well know rifle shops in BC alone who have small outfits making rifle stocks for their customers
it's not rocket science, and a skilled guy can serve the needs of a few rifle builders..... it's a whole nuther ball game trying to serve "the world" your product.
I don't get the first line of your post at all and find that amusing coming from a mod.
now if you had one of my stocks and were honestly evaluating it....... I would give your comments , in their entirety, a little more thought.
I've spent a crap load of time and money to know how to do what I now do for a hobby.
I am passing on what I have learned but that is not for discussion here.
you have an issue with my posts, maybe pm me and we can discuss.
otherwise,
back to the thread, sorry for the Hijak..... and ya, that sux that the price of another fine product is about to get even more expensive.
it's not rocket science, and a skilled guy can serve the needs of a few rifle builders..... it's a whole nuther ball game trying to serve "the world" your product.
I don't get the first line of your post at all and find that amusing coming from a mod.
now if you had one of my stocks and were honestly evaluating it....... I would give your comments , in their entirety, a little more thought.
I've spent a crap load of time and money to know how to do what I now do for a hobby.
I am passing on what I have learned but that is not for discussion here.
you have an issue with my posts, maybe pm me and we can discuss.
otherwise,
back to the thread, sorry for the Hijak..... and ya, that sux that the price of another fine product is about to get even more expensive.
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- AB foothills
So answer the question then, who are they? List them please for all of us. Are these the only ones you know of?
a fair question
2 guys I have met with tables at BC gun shows, one makes nice hunting stocks in wood or composite and the other was more f-class oriented..... I have their cards somewhere and am digging.
another guy I've seen adds for in fishing and hunting shops in BC ..... and I'm in a lot of those..... and corlane's uses their own guy as does another gunshop owner I know.....
I know because I tried the grass roots marketing to some of the busier hunting shops and while I did get some favorable responses, many shops dealt with BnC or "we have a guy" for that.
but if yer done calling me out now.....
I wonder if Robertson composites would still be around in Canada if many of us had not bought a McMillan?
Looks like they're using a boxed rubber mold to me.
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They're even using the same alignment pins in the support box that I used to order from McMaster Carr:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#alignment-dowels/=to4sfe
I used to make large resin parts in a similar way. The link below describes the basic process. The difference is that instead of adding the plaster to the back to support the mold, the rubber is poured into a box that provides support and has built-in alignment pins for the two halves. You generally hollow out the box to be just a little larger than the part. All the rubber is doing is providing the fine details.
http://makezine.com/projects/make-24/making-a-hard-shell-mold/
You can get mold rubber that's really soft or harder than a hockey puck... Dow Corning makes many different kinds.
http://www.dowcorning.com/content/moldmaking/
So, the shell is obviously made of fiberglass. What are the fillers?
