Meprolight M21m?

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Hello, since there are little information i could dig up on the stats on the M21m (the ones that appeared in the pictures for the new tavor http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160317&highlight=tavor, its the 16th picture if i counted correctly) on the internet, i would like to know how is Tritium life compared to the M21i, and is this M21 line holographic like the EOTechs, where i could place my eye anywhere and it would work, for example, if my scope was broken or blocked, could i shift my eye a little and still aim with any visible area? Also how is it's brightness, since it is a non-conventional powered optic, does it function just as well as a powered one like the EOTechs?

And of course, how does it compare to a EOTech 553 or 557(one with the calibrated dots for .223)?

Anyone have any stats on these?
 
TheHolyLancer said:
Hello, since there are little information i could dig up on the stats on the M21m (the ones that appeared in the pictures for the new tavor http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160317&highlight=tavor, its the 16th picture if i counted correctly) on the internet, i would like to know how is Tritium life compared to the M21i, and is this M21 line holographic like the EOTechs, where i could place my eye anywhere and it would work, for example, if my scope was broken or blocked, could i shift my eye a little and still aim with any visible area? Also how is it's brightness, since it is a non-conventional powered optic, does it function just as well as a powered one like the EOTechs?

And of course, how does it compare to a EOTech 553 or 557(one with the calibrated dots for .223)?

Anyone have any stats on these?
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Tritium life is based on the half life of the element, not the product it is installed in.
Yes it is holographic, eye relief is not important, and it can be used as an occluded eye optic as can any other red dot.
The dot is not as bright as the battery powered sights, and it is not adjustable for intensity. There is a polarized filter that you can adjust contrast with though.
 
The reports on the Mepro 21 are pale in comparison to the Trijicon Reflex. thats comparing apples to apples. (will dig up stats for you)
h t t p ://www.trijicon.com/pdfs/reflex.pdf

Comparing the Mepro 21 (reflex) to the Eotech 55X series (Holographic) is hard as they are different applications. The Mepro MARS (Mepro holographic)has been reffered to as "Eotechs retarded half brother" (sorry KevinB)

Not sure why someone would want to buy the M21 on its own. there are better optic options out there.
 
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The holographic optics are better designed for closer range targets / reactive with both eyes open .. provides better field of view.

the red dot types can provide optical magnification (ie: like ACOGs) and are better suited for longer distance work. Holographic vs reflex sights. each have their own merits. No batteries with the Trijicon reflex or Mepro 21 are a plus, but the Eotechs are good and quick acquisition when shouldering your rifle.
 
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hmm, i thought the m21 and trijicon reflex both has 1x magnification? Or does that mean the use of a telescope behind the reflex sight?
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x1 is NO magnification, no telescopes involved. EOTech did however just come out with a magnifier that will work with their new 557:



Both will likely cost well over 1k and won't be available in Canada for quite some time. Why are you so obsessed with the Mepro? Aimpoint makes the best non-magnified optics IMO.
 
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Yup Aimpoints are good. I think the renewed interest in the Mepro 21 is that they are available as non options with the new Tavor.

By all accounts they are inferior to Trijicon, Eotech & Aimpoint optics.
 
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umm what is the different application of reflex and holographic?
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Back in the days when the Aimpoint M runs like 300-500 hours, there is a desire for the non-battery powered sight, even if they suck in the way when wash out problem and tinted lense. That's back in 1997......

But when the XD came out with 1000+ hours around 98, and now the M4 with 8 years battery life, battery is a non issue. A few years ago (before the war)with an average price tag of a bout 300USD for mepro 21 and trijicon, there isn't really any market for them while you could get a M2 for 360 bucks

Trijicon then came out with the Tri-power because they figured out the reflex is outdated and phased out- but really....why do you need all the jazz while the the M3 already lasts forever practically???

Here is a new version of the Mepro found on kimber site

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looks like they are wisely borrowing the Tri-power fibre optics configuration, with a battery back up? IR laser slaved to the recticle-a direct competition against the ITL MARS.
 
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well the tavor comes with a m21, and since my choice of guns comes down to tavor and the sig PE90, the optics on the tavor make or break the deal (at 3000 dollar, the optics on the tavor better be good, or else i can say that they are good enough that other people are willing to trade for a EOTech 552 AA...)

also where did you (greentips) found that picture of the new mepro on the kimber site???
 
I dont think you should pick the PE90 or the TAVOR based on the optics it comes with. THe PE90 and the Tavor are too different animals. You need to exam your requirements to pick the one that is the most appropriate for your usage.
 
Well to us, its more or less a toy gun, that we *might* take out to hunt game that is small than deer with, I'm thinking of PE90 as practical choice, but it is more expensive and the tavor looks cooler (IMHO), it is a hard choice
 
Just to correct some terminology here -- a Reflex sight is any sight that can be used both eyes open as a CCO. Trijicon went and made their version the "Reflex" (and Reflex II)
The EoTech and Aimpoint are also examples of a reflexsive sight.
Red Dots -- are a type type scope with a red dot inside used to provide a red dot for reflexive usage.

ACOG's are not a redot - nor are they a reflexive scope (although with BAC - some of their models are designed to be able to do that)

The Mepro M21 is a 10 year old design that (IMHO) is beong flogged off part and parcel with the rifle since no one else wants it
 
KevinB said:
Just to correct some terminology here -- a Reflex sight is any sight that can be used both eyes open as a CCO. Trijicon went and made their version the "Reflex" (and Reflex II)
The EoTech and Aimpoint are also examples of a reflexsive sight.
Red Dots -- are a type type scope with a red dot inside used to provide a red dot for reflexive usage.

ACOG's are not a redot - nor are they a reflexive scope (although with BAC - some of their models are designed to be able to do that)

The Mepro M21 is a 10 year old design that (IMHO) is beong flogged off part and parcel with the rifle since no one else wants it
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sign.... i guess at least one person gave me the exactly thing i needed, i have though about why in the world is the m21 being packed with such a nice gun, especially when the cheaper EOTech 552 AA or a 510 would have bested it since they have that holographic technology and is cheaper than the claimed $700 price, i though that in the army or something reliability and ready to use was a big thing and that it's stats are impressive or something... Now you have confirmed my worst fears...

I'm further appalled that even their own MARS sight was not offered to us, and even after me emailing CandaAmmo multiple times, it seems that MARS is out of question (gave no reason) and that they will not sell the gun without the sight, as they claim that its the Isreal side that wants this package, and not them, and this tells me that the manufacture wants to hide something, perhaps to get rid of excess stock...

So basically, if i buy the tavor, there is going to be a $700 paper weight that there is no demands for or else is being filled rather quickly by the other people whom ordered them, and would want to fork out another $600 for a EOTech, or some other optics?
 
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I say the Meprolight is an integral part of this package, if you want a rifle to "kit out" get an AR-15 with a quad rail and throw 5 EOTechs on it. The Mepro gives it that Israeli character.
 
The Mepro is part of the deal, for good or for ill.

Theoretical concerns aside, I found it to function very well when we tested the Tavor at our May Tac Rifle shoot. The dot was quite visible and I did not feel poorly equipped in using this sight .... and I ordinarily use an EoTech. I do prefer the dot within a ring reticle of the EoTech, but from what I saw the Israeli sight should be entirely satisfactory for typical Canadian sporting use.

I think Greentips has the right idea when he suggests you pick the best rifle based on your likely use rather than indulge in this ' pin dancing angels' routine.
 
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