MERGED. Type 81 is on its way to Canada. Classed as RESTRICTED

fenceline said:
Interesting how some guns have a selector switch safety and others don't have one visible in the pictures.

The ones with no selector on the side seem to have something behind the trigger inside the trigger guard.
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In researching these rifles I found the original issued rifles were select fire with a selector reminiscent of the VZ-58 but Norinco made semi-auto only models for export to Western civilian markets. These models had an SKS style safety lever behind the trigger. Unfortunately imports were stopped by the US with an import ban soon after. So select fire have the selector while SA have the lever behind the trigger.
 
They are fine as is, but IMHO ACE skeleton will look great on them, just saying.
Once we mount optics an inline stock will help.

fenceline said:
True. More for the look than anything else. A 5/40 mag would look pretty cool on it too.

The profiles of the LMG and rifle are very different. The front sights, the front hand guard. Both very unique in their own right.

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Curtton said:
great, so far I love what I see, got to get a underfolder model.

does any one know why the cleaning rod is so short?
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Might be like a K98 cleaning rod. It required 3 rods that screw together. The idea being that your fellow squad mates would lend you theirs when you need to clean.
 
There are articles that speak about the front sight being pushed back for launching grenades that slide over the barrel. Hence the ribbing on some barrels and the lack of ribbing on others (export civilian versions). Some do come with a cleaning rod mounted under the barrel like an sks. But not all have it pictured.
 
OK for $250-$1000 military rifles in 7.62 x 39 We in Canada have a few options: sks, vz58, cz858, vz52/57, cz958, and now the Norinco type 81. (have I missed any?) after viewing this list is the type 81 still the most desirable? For my money I would track down a vz 52/57 or a 958 before a type 81. In an ideal world I would own all of them of course.
 
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welder01 said:
OK for $250-$1000 military rifles in 7.62 x 39 We in Canada have a few options: sks, vz58, cz858, vz52/57, cz958, and now the Norinco type 81. (have I missed any?) after viewing this list is the type 81 still the most desirable? For my money I would track down a vz 52/57 or a 958 before a type 81. In an ideal world I would own all of them of course.
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The 958 is a no go for the time being. The type81 may not be the most desirable, but when you already own the rest on your list, it's the next best purchase.
 
welder01 said:
OK for $250-$1000 military rifles in 7.62 x 39 We in Canada have a few options: sks, vz58, cz858, vz52/57, cz958, and now the Norinco type 81. (have I missed any?) after viewing this list is the type 81 still the most desirable? For my money I would track down a vz 52/57 or a 958 before a type 81. In an ideal world I would own all of them of course.
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The VZ, CZ and 958 are all the same platform essentially. Different makers and some add on but really just the vz58 theme.

So vz58, vz52/57, sks, Rasheed, Valmet M78 (stupid rare) and the Type 81 are really our only choices when it comes to authentic looking and chambered military long guns. The RPD hopefully will be added to that list, but it will fall between the M78 and cz858 for availability. One might be able to include the Gilboa rifle in 762x39, but I'm not sure if that AR type has been on a battlefield or not.

The Type 81 is the most modern redition of a 762x39 military gun available to us. (Accepting of course the semi auto nature given our civilian limitations to the real deal)
 
Is it more SKS? Is it more AK? The answer is, both.

To understand the Type 81, you need to look at the Type 63, also known as the Type 68 depending on who you talk to.

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The following is borrowed from "The Chinese 7.62x39 Type 68" article at The Small Arms Defence Journal.

The Type 68 Rifle

While most Chinese infantry small arms of the twentieth century were copies of Soviet models, the Type 68 (sometimes referred to as the Type 63) rifle is an indigenous Chinese design. The weapon is somewhat of an anomaly; having a few “modern” features such as a select-fire capability and firing a midrange 7.62x39mm cartridge, but has the appearance, weight and length of an older World War II design.

At first glance the Type 68 looks very much like an SKS rifle, the primary difference between the two designs is that the SKS uses a titling-bolt locking system, while the Type 68 features a rotating-bolt system similar to that of the AK-47 rifle. The SKS is a semiautomatic-only weapon while the Type 68 has a semiautomatic and full-automatic capability.

The gas system used on the Type 68 is an impingement design, that is similar to that used in the SKS. While the SKS gas piston impinges on a spring-loaded gas piston extension, the Type 68’s piston rod impinges directly on the rifle’s bolt carrier. The piston rod extends through a spring that returns the piston to a forward position after engaging the bolt carrier. The gas piston is enclosed inside a circular sheet metal heat shield to protect the upper handguard from excessive heat during sustained firing. The Type 68 gas piston is not attached to the bolt carrier as on the AK-47, but is a separate component. The Type 68 has an adjustable two-position gas regulator located on the front end of the gas tube to keep the weapon functioning when extremely fouled. The gas regulator is adjusted by pressing the retainer and rotating it downward, which will allow it to be pulled free, and the regulator knob rotated to the desired position. The soldier can see the position of the gas regulator spindle, which is indicated by a small and large hole on the back of the knob, at a glance. The smaller of the two gas ports is the normal position. Like the Chinese Type 56 carbine (SKS) and some Type 56 rifles (AK-47) the Type 68 has a permanently attached spike-type bayonet. When not in use, the bayonet can folded and stored under the barrel. To extend the bayonet the soldier pulls the grip rearward and rotates the blade forward locking it onto the L shaped lug under the front sight tower, to retract the blade the grip is pulled to unlock the bayonet and then rotate it under the barrel until it locks into position. There is a barrel mounted front attachment point for a sling and a sling swivel on the buttstock, both are on the left side of the weapon.

The bolt carrier is a steel forging machined for containing the recoil spring, rotating and housing the breech bolt and tripping the automatic sear. There are also grooves on the sides that ride on rails inside the receiver. The cocking handle of the Type 68 is on the right side of the receiver and is an integral part of the bolt carrier; the handle itself extends straight out and is similar in appearance to that of the SKS rifle. A sheet metal cover is fitted over the top of the receiver.

The trigger groups of the SKS and Type 68 are similar modular designs, and are a variation of the basic design used on the U.S. M1 Garand rifle. The Type 68 has a three-position selector lever located on the right side of the trigger guard. The safe position is marked with a “0”, the semiautomatic position with a number 1, the full-automatic position is marked with a number 2. The stock is inletted in this area aid in the manipulation of the selector lever. The Type 68 trigger group has three sears, an automatic sear is located forward of the hammer and it actuated by the bolt carrier, a trigger sear is located to the rear of the hammer on the right side, the sear operates with each pull of the trigger. A semiautomatic sear is located on the left side of the hammer and functions only when the selector is in the number “1” position.

When the selector is rotated to the “0” or safe position, the selector blocks the movement of the trigger sear, preventing the release of the hammer.

With the selector on the number “1” or semiautomatic position, the selector moves the semiautomatic sear into position, which is then controlled by the trigger. When the trigger is pulled the trigger sear releases the hammer, upon firing the rearward moving bolt carrier re-cocks the hammer and it is held rearward by the semiautomatic sear, until the shooter’s finger pressure on the trigger is released, at which time the semiautomatic sear releases the hammer, but the hammer is retained rearward by the trigger sear until the trigger is pulled again.

With the selector on the number “2” or full-automatic position, the semiautomatic sear is disengaged. When the bolt is initially released the automatic sear is tripped, but the hammer is retained by the trigger sear. When the trigger is pulled the hammer is released firing the round in the chamber. As the bolt carrier is pushed rearward by the gas piston, the hammer is cocked and held rearward by the automatic sear until the bolt carrier is in a forward position, at which time the bolt carrier trips the automatic sear and the hammer is released, this action will continue until the trigger is released or the magazine is emptied. If the trigger is released it will be held back by the trigger sear. The full-automatic cyclic rate is 750 rounds per minute. The automatic sear also serves a secondary function as a “safety” sear preventing the hammer from falling unless the bolt is locked in the battery position.

The Type 68 rifle uses a detachable steel box-type 15-round magazine similar in design to the standard AK-47 magazines. The magazine can be loaded while in the weapon through grooves in the bolt carrier with ammunition on SKS stripper clips, or removed and loaded by hand. The bolt-hold open feature of the weapon prevents the use of a standard AK magazine. If the bolt-hold feature is removed the weapon can then use any 30 or 40 round AK magazine to increase the weapon’s firepower. The magazine catch is placed forward of the trigger guard and is attached to the trigger housing.

The AK type elevation adjustable rear sight is a sliding bar, tangent type calibrated out to a range of 1000-meters, the 300-meter battle sight position is indicated by a Roman numeral III. The front sight is also an AK post type adjustable for elevation and windage.

There are two variants of the Type 68; early models had a forged steel receiver, while later production used a stamped steel receiver. The stamped receiver is easily identified by the presence of rivets on the sides, and is the model photographed for this article. Both models featured a wooden buttstock and were normally fitted with an upper handguard made of plastic. The buttstock has a stamped steel buttplate and is designed to house an AK capsule type cleaning kit, which contains a combination tool, gas port cleaning tool, jag, patch holder and bore brush. A cleaning rod is stored under the weapon’s barrel.

There have been reports of a simplified Type 68 rifle designated as the Type 68/73, but the existence of production models of the weapon could not be confirmed.
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So the Type 81 is really what the Chinese liked in the AK, liked in the SKS, merged together in the Type 63/68, and then evolved into the Type 81. Really, the Type 81 is not even a direct child of the AK and SKS, but rather the grandchild, with the Type 63/68 being the parent design.

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SKS - Short stroke piston, Tilting Bolt
AK47 - Long stroke piston, Rotating Bolt
vz58 - Short stroke piston, Tilting Bolt
Type 63/68 - Short stroke piston, Rotating Bolt
Type 81 - Short stroke piston, Rotating Bolt
 
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Armored Metal said:
The cleaning rod is a normal lenght. It's inserted under the
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The ak rod is an inch from the muzzle, on the T81 it's 5 inch behind bcos of the GL, even with a 2 inch brush , it's not enuff.

bfiles said:
I don't see a cleaning rod on any of them except the lmg
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Hey B, look at the military pics, ok, how about the pic with the actress? You will see a rod , just below the gas block.
 
Curtton said:
The ak rod is an inch from the muzzle, on the T81 it's 5 inch behind bcos of the GL, even with a 2 inch brush , it's not enuff.



Hey B, look at the military pics, ok, how about the pic with the actress? You will see a rod , just below the gas block.
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So the internals are like the PUMA shotgun?
Has anyone on here besides vendors and the guy who does publicity for the vendors actually shot this rifle?
I would sure like to hear an un-bias account of this firearm.
Also what calibers are they being offered in?
Or is it so new that no one knows and everyone is getting all excited about nothing like the T97 craze of the last year?
 
One of the guys I'm one of the other threads has shot one. He is eager to own one. He shot one overseas at a prison apparently.

7.62x39 is the only confirmed calibre as of yet, but they have been manufactured in 5.56 as well.

There are several pictures on cgn already showing the internals of a semi auto from the US.
 
I just remembered that I still got two deposits for T97 at canam, I think I will switch to T81 instead.
 
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