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Metis hunting rights in Manitoba
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Exactly.... well put.....
The act was put in place to support natives who wish to survive in the "old ways" from subsistance hunting.... people that actually do this as practice are usually amazing conservationists as their lives depend on the animal population....
Shame on "Natives" who abuse this policy by overhunting and overfishing and allowing their catch to spoil just because they can....
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Exactly.... well put.....
The act was put in place to support natives who wish to survive in the "old ways" from subsistance hunting.... people that actually do this as practice are usually amazing conservationists as their lives depend on the animal population....
Shame on "Natives" who abuse this policy by overhunting and overfishing and allowing their catch to spoil just because they can....
Shame on anyone doing such things! But an even bigger shame on aboriginals who choose to do such things. You should know better.
Fixed it for you...but I get your point
Sorry... didn't mean to single out natives.... only to point out that some natives use their status to take advantage of the regs.... yes.. there are some very crappy white "hunters" for sure.....
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You have to read on Powley and see if your Metis nation has negotiated with the province for hunting rights.
The Federal Gov't took the side of the aboriginals and allows us to hunt the game they manage, which is just migratory birds. The provinces control the wildlife, and here in BC they say that the Metis nation has to prove that they were hunting here pre-confederation. A couple universities have been able to prove this, but the province has made it so you need half a million dollars at least to make it official in court. Basically they're just stalling for time in order to sell more licenses to Metis in BC.
Alberta is a different story, they have actual settlements there. They used to have harvesting rights, but the gov't was lobbied and they were revoked. I believe right now you have to have permission, or live on a settlement to hunt.
Manitoba I don't think has anything going on, but I'm not sure. Ontario I believe has full hunting rights but very few real Metis people?
Once again, just read the Powley ruling from 2003. If you just got your status card, why not just ask your local natural resources chair? One phone call and you should have your answer.
Not sure about Metis rights.
In Quebec First Nations rights exist on traditional hunting territory.
Anywhere else and you need a permit like everyone else.
There was something about this in the media some time back.
I think it had to do with metis hunting in Alberta, it wasn' allowed but Alberta metis could hunt in Sask.
This changes from province to province.
Good Luck on the search.
Really, your best bet is to have a chat with the game wardens in your area.
In Quebec First Nations rights exist on traditional hunting territory.
Anywhere else and you need a permit like everyone else.
There was something about this in the media some time back.
I think it had to do with metis hunting in Alberta, it wasn' allowed but Alberta metis could hunt in Sask.
This changes from province to province.
Good Luck on the search.
Really, your best bet is to have a chat with the game wardens in your area.
Because they are ignorant, would be my best guess...
No need to let them waste...I bet if the waster in question would put an add in the local paper, he would have no issue getting them to where they wouldn't go to waste...Better yet, if he actually tried it , he may become a might less ignorant...
It's terrible god awful stuff that Burbot!.... you must send it all to me so that it can be disposed of properly....
LMAO. We should form a burbot disposal unit.
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The CO's that I have come across in this area actually don't know anything about Metis hunting other than what's in the assessment. It doesn't cover the Metis federal harvesting cards, which are to be treated like provincial tags, so when you get pulled over and present that you can bet your hunt is going to be delayed for the next 30-60 minutes while they try to figure out how to do their jobs.
I think one of the main themes of this thread is about how natives have special rights and that's wrong, and so on. The second I see this, I feel like writing a letter to my MP about tuition fees. It's a little worrisome that some people can go on living while not being able to understand very basic concepts.
I'll try to write this so any competent person can understand:
1) Aboriginals will never be equal to white people because of racism, cultural differences, education in western business, fiscal inheritance, etc. The only way to combat this is help them assimilate into white culture through free education so they can raise their kids differently. People may say stuff like: "I grew up with nothing!!!1!" "I was born in Canada why should I not get as many rights because they had ancestors here!" or "My parents came here with nothing and built everything they own!", well that's nice, they were probably white or grew up in a money driven society based on education so it just does not apply to people who come from a nomadic or tribal background that did not have money, or even a sense of ownership over possessions. White people had their chance to wipe out the natives, but they didn't, they signed peace treaties. The faster Indians go through the system, get educated and learn to live like westerners, the quicker
2) Aboriginals signed treaties with white people, most of which were never honoured and the government of the 70's and 80's knew this. The rights set aside for aboriginals were probably put there as a stopgap for all the broken promises made over the years. Think of it like a 2nd amendment for natives, something that couldn't be taken away, because if you look at history they have had basically everything stolen in one way or another. This was just a way of stopping the natives from being taken advantage of further, but what happened was a 180 degree turn where the natives just started taking advantage of the system. Some of it comes from kids being torn from their parents and put in schools and not having life skills, so they become addicted to being on the system. I think most of it is cultural, natives just simply were not a money based society that worked 9-5 monday to friday. Everyone judges them based on their own notions of success, which they just do not understand.
3) Natives represent a tiny percentage of harvested game. Make no mistake, we manage wildlife in Canada really well. Some natives may hunt traditionally, where they basically stalk at night and kill whatever they see. This is how it was done, they didn't have a game management crisis. It wasn't the natives who wiped out the buffalo herds and almost destroyed the white tail deer. It was the white people who came, raped, and then set the rules. It just so happens that aboriginals don't apply to these rules because of treaties, and now because of the federal gov't. Don't blame the natives for having rights because of their ancestors, blame yours for being more irresponsible than the first nations people.
I could go on but I'll stop here for now, it's almost lunch time and all this hunting talk is making me crave a massive chunk of meat.
I think one of the main themes of this thread is about how natives have special rights and that's wrong, and so on. The second I see this, I feel like writing a letter to my MP about tuition fees. It's a little worrisome that some people can go on living while not being able to understand very basic concepts.
I'll try to write this so any competent person can understand:
1) Aboriginals will never be equal to white people because of racism, cultural differences, education in western business, fiscal inheritance, etc. The only way to combat this is help them assimilate into white culture through free education so they can raise their kids differently. People may say stuff like: "I grew up with nothing!!!1!" "I was born in Canada why should I not get as many rights because they had ancestors here!" or "My parents came here with nothing and built everything they own!", well that's nice, they were probably white or grew up in a money driven society based on education so it just does not apply to people who come from a nomadic or tribal background that did not have money, or even a sense of ownership over possessions. White people had their chance to wipe out the natives, but they didn't, they signed peace treaties. The faster Indians go through the system, get educated and learn to live like westerners, the quicker
2) Aboriginals signed treaties with white people, most of which were never honoured and the government of the 70's and 80's knew this. The rights set aside for aboriginals were probably put there as a stopgap for all the broken promises made over the years. Think of it like a 2nd amendment for natives, something that couldn't be taken away, because if you look at history they have had basically everything stolen in one way or another. This was just a way of stopping the natives from being taken advantage of further, but what happened was a 180 degree turn where the natives just started taking advantage of the system. Some of it comes from kids being torn from their parents and put in schools and not having life skills, so they become addicted to being on the system. I think most of it is cultural, natives just simply were not a money based society that worked 9-5 monday to friday. Everyone judges them based on their own notions of success, which they just do not understand.
3) Natives represent a tiny percentage of harvested game. Make no mistake, we manage wildlife in Canada really well. Some natives may hunt traditionally, where they basically stalk at night and kill whatever they see. This is how it was done, they didn't have a game management crisis. It wasn't the natives who wiped out the buffalo herds and almost destroyed the white tail deer. It was the white people who came, raped, and then set the rules. It just so happens that aboriginals don't apply to these rules because of treaties, and now because of the federal gov't. Don't blame the natives for having rights because of their ancestors, blame yours for being more irresponsible than the first nations people.
I could go on but I'll stop here for now, it's almost lunch time and all this hunting talk is making me crave a massive chunk of meat.
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So what your saying is you believe an apartheid type descriminatory system is not only good but to be encouraged? Is this correct?
If find your use of the term "white man" quite telling. It smacks of bigotry. As a metis you are arguably just as white as most of the other "whites" in Canada. You may claim otherwise...but your DNA would refute this. Very few people in Canada, aboriginals included can trace thier genetic routes to just one race/culture.
Interesting you bringing up the buffalo destruction. Perhaps you can offer information on why the aboriginal practice of driving an entire herd off a cliff was somehow more ecologically correct than people shooting them for thier hides and tongues?
Lastly I would like to address your first point, that aboriginals would never be equal to white people. Is this because of the courts who have enshired descriminatory practices in the judiciary that aboriginals are guaranteed to be held to both a lower standard and virtually unaccountable for crimes when tried in court? Perhaps you have heard of the Gladue ruling? Perhaps not...
I find it distressing that you feel racist type goverment policies in 2012 are somehow a progressive thing. How long do you want to live in the past? Are you naive enough to believe that only aboriginals were persecuted? Your death and destruction is not even comparable to what happened in Europe, Africa and Asia over the last several centuries.
Yet somehow you feel that having a hard past history should entitle you to greater entitlements.
The idea that you can never be equal is your mindset, I do beleive its not shared by the majority of Canadians. Perhaps you dont feel you can be equal under the law because you really actually do not want to be equal under the law.
Dissapointing that we have people in Canada that think descrimination is ok.
Pretty good point comparing things to Europe.
The vanquished didn't fair so good there, a lot of serious genocide went on.
Compared to some of the Ethic cleansing that went down in Eastern europe it's pretty hard to garner sympathy for the plight of the vanquished people of North America.
No treaty's put forth in a lot of those countries; lots of dirt nap's handed out.
The vanquished didn't fair so good there, a lot of serious genocide went on.
Compared to some of the Ethic cleansing that went down in Eastern europe it's pretty hard to garner sympathy for the plight of the vanquished people of North America.
No treaty's put forth in a lot of those countries; lots of dirt nap's handed out.
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There is a lot wrong with your post and you have quite an alarming attitude. Let me address a few of your points;
In regard to #1, are you in favor of Metis/Natives having lower standards for admission into various post secondary schooling and occupations? Are you aware that the minimum GPA is lower for a Metis/Native to write an LSAT for example? Many occupations, such as Game Warden or RCMP have a lower initial minimum and in some instances even start out with "points" above others just for applying and being Metis or Native. I would consider this racist, yet your community embraces this practice. Basically, it's saying the Metis/Native people are intellectually inferior. Do people not understand this?
In regard to point #2, I can see you hinting at the "residential school" issue. You are of course aware that there were quite a few "white folks" that went to these schools as well. I can also foresee a future lawsuit or court case which will deal with the fact you were deprived the necessary education, it's coming.
Lastly, I would like for you to explain how it is possible to "manage wildlife really well", as you so eloquently put it, when a large sector of the population has no seasons or bag limits. If every person in Canada who meets the legal requirement of subsistence hunter were to exercise that right, we would be devoid of most wildlife. I personally know of a few natives in my area who shoot upward of 2 dozen moose,deer and elk each and every winter, so your point of not having an affect on wildlife is quite simply false.
It is a Business, I don't have time to haul fish that are not worth money to me. There is waste in all commercial fishing, from the fisherman, to the fish-buyer, transporter processor and retail. Commercial fishing like fishing to make money..are we clear here? Like are you that thick? to think I am going to keep a few frozen Burbot , put an add in the paper and meet with someone to pick it up?..get lost. Last week it was -50 or colder for almost a week I was out there all day, so no life lessons needed here. I work for my money and pay taxes. I have ate Mariah before,I don't need to because I like Walleye better, but I guess I am not allowed to eat what I want either.
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It's a lack of substance that leads to posts like this. We can play the game where I explain why things are the way they are, and you use buzzwords like racism and bigotry to lead up to an epicly false conclusion:
Not only did you use the right wing buzzword 'entitlement' twice in one sentence, you accused me of wanting free stuff. That's quite the grand presumption. Once again, it's a lack of substance and heavy reliance on right wing sensationalism that makes your postings so easy to pick apart. Let's focus on me wanting handouts (lol)
I grew up in the woods, on welfare, to an abusive step father. I couldn't go to school for 1/3rd of my childhood, and eventually had to work full time at 15 years old. Armed with my powerful grade 9 education I somehow make 60% more than the average Canadian telling people what to do all day in a downtown office working for a software company. I'm 28 years old. I honestly get paid to travel around North America to meet with executives 2-3 months per year and 7 people report to me. I've never once been on the system, and hope I never will be. I've never been on EI, welfare, or whatever other programs exist. I've never once received anything for being aboriginal other than my federal migratory bird stamp, which lets me hunt geese for $10.00 instead of $17.00, but I had to pay about $130.00 to get my status card.
Considering how your post bounces around so much and doesn't really focus, I'm going to have to decipher yours the same way.
Ok? So I'm French and Native American but saying white man makes me a bigot? I used the term white man because I had to find a term that covered the people who came to North America from Europe and didn't want to list all their nationalities. How can I be a bigot if I'm white and native and called europeans 'white men', either way, you got the buzzword in there.
This would have been a good sensationalist quote had you spelled discrimination correctly. Considering how the entire attack is based on that word, I shouldn't even have to respond, but I will!
Discrimination is everywhere, we rely on it to keep our society from being crazy. You cannot have a PAL until you're a certain age, and you can't get certain jobs without degrees. That's discrimination, but the good type. I don't mean to take your words out of context, or put words in your mouth, like you did with my post so my best guess is that you mean Canada puts natives ahead of everyone and it's not fair in a society where we're supposed to be equals, and everyone but aboriginals are discriminated against. You could look at it that way, but you'd be wrong. The correct way to see this would be as everyone being equal but some people have extra protections. Do I support this system? I never said I did, I explained why it's the way it is. I recall explaining how this protection system should allow natives to become more western, which is probably the fastest way to abolish this imbalance altogether.
No, it's not because of the courts, it's for the reasons that I pointed out right after I made my statement. I don't understand how you'd ask why I think something when I spell it out so plainly.
I think you're referring to the Blackfoot 'buffalo jump' in Alberta. I'll respond to this, you want to know how it was more correct in a wildlife conservation aspect? It was done for almost 6000 years. The animals were processed nearby and consumed, not poached for currency. This way of life came to an end when white people were introduced into the mix, therefore it was pretty sustainable. What I find funny is how white people decimated the harvestable surplus in North America and blame the natives for poaching all the time. It's pretty much the same argument here like we do against the anti's, facts trump sensationalism. So some natives drove buffalo off a cliff, in 3000 BC the white people were probably doing equally nasty things to animals.
I think a 90% population wipe by sickness and persecution is comparable to events in Europe. People were also displaced, moved onto reserves, and had their kids taken from them if they survived. They were called heathens and were convinced to fight in constant wars. To think that some people would be reverse racist or even passively aggressive to these people is downright disrespectful. To even consider 'some death and destruction' to be less evil than 'a lot' is pretty twisted as well.
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