MG42 , MG34 , two MP44s , trying to get a sense of potential interest on CGN.
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I would love a 12(3) STG/MP. My main concern is that the RCMP and SQ are taking all new transfers in for EVALUATION to see if the conversion is OK. If it isnt than goodbye Historical icon- if it is they still keep it over a year because of the evaluation Backlog 
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There have been a few cases aout this lately on CGN
(There have been a few cases aout this lately on CGN
Dsiwy,
Thanks for the heads up on the belt....it must have been the cheap Scotch?
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vandoo66
" I would love a 12(3) STG/MP. My main concern is that the RCMP and SQ are taking all new transfers in for EVALUATION to see if the conversion is OK. If it isnt than goodbye Historical icon- if it is they still keep it over a year because of the evaluation Backlog.
There have been a few cases about this lately on CGN".
I would be interested in knowing more about this situation.
It would be a shame to have to deactivate this MP44.
I have never fired this gun, but the previous owner did.
If the gun were to be sold elsewhere in Canada, would the SQ get involved?
Do they do these inspections in Ottawa or in Montreal?
The markings on this MP44 are pretty decent.
'qlv' ---Erma's late war code with E/280 and 'COS' sub-contrator marking.
Serial numbers with 'COS' sub-contractor's marking.
Erma's earlier code 'ayf' E/280 on the barrel of this 1943 dated MP40. 12(3)
This gun made the trip to Ottawa for examination ...years ago.
David
Thanks for the heads up on the belt....it must have been the cheap Scotch?
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vandoo66
" I would love a 12(3) STG/MP. My main concern is that the RCMP and SQ are taking all new transfers in for EVALUATION to see if the conversion is OK. If it isnt than goodbye Historical icon- if it is they still keep it over a year because of the evaluation Backlog.
There have been a few cases about this lately on CGN".
I would be interested in knowing more about this situation.
It would be a shame to have to deactivate this MP44.
I have never fired this gun, but the previous owner did.
If the gun were to be sold elsewhere in Canada, would the SQ get involved?
Do they do these inspections in Ottawa or in Montreal?
The markings on this MP44 are pretty decent.
'qlv' ---Erma's late war code with E/280 and 'COS' sub-contrator marking.
Serial numbers with 'COS' sub-contractor's marking.
Erma's earlier code 'ayf' E/280 on the barrel of this 1943 dated MP40. 12(3)
This gun made the trip to Ottawa for examination ...years ago.
David
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stencollector
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From what I have heard, the RCMP want any CA's that were not verified by them in the first place to be sent in for re-examination. I also heard from a dealer that if they fail the inspection (conversion is not permanent enough), they are usually sent back to the dealer until the work is done.
Thanks stencollector.
Interestingly enough, I bought the MP44 from an Ontario Provincial Policeman (OPP) in 2006; he had owned it since 1987.
Ironically ....I took delivery of it in the parking lot of the OPP station in Prescott Ontario.
I have no idea if it had been examined by the RCMP when he bought it.
I know that I did not have any problems with the transfer at that time.
Based on what you suggested, if it does not pass examination they don't require deactivation....just go and fix it correctly.
This was a private sale.....no dealer involved.
I believe that he originally got the gun from a dealer out west????
David
As I recall, this 12(3) MP40 was sent to the RCMP in Ottawa for examination...years ago.
Interestingly enough, I bought the MP44 from an Ontario Provincial Policeman (OPP) in 2006; he had owned it since 1987.
Ironically ....I took delivery of it in the parking lot of the OPP station in Prescott Ontario.
I have no idea if it had been examined by the RCMP when he bought it.
I know that I did not have any problems with the transfer at that time.
Based on what you suggested, if it does not pass examination they don't require deactivation....just go and fix it correctly.
This was a private sale.....no dealer involved.
I believe that he originally got the gun from a dealer out west????
David
As I recall, this 12(3) MP40 was sent to the RCMP in Ottawa for examination...years ago.
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Your belt is on backwards
Good catch. I missed that myself, and I used to own a CA MG34 way back when.
OP,
I am guessing here, but I expect the 34 and 42 should get $3000 each.
Currently there is a full auto 12(2) MG42 for sale on EE with accessories.
How do values compare with a deactived MG42 with a moving action....and well marked dated 1943?
Certainly a different market with a different audience.
I have no idea.
David
How do values compare with a deactived MG42 with a moving action....and well marked dated 1943?
Certainly a different market with a different audience.
I have no idea.
David
David
Marstar currently advertises some FA MG42's for sale, the last time I checked they were priced just shy of $4000.
It really comes down to finding a buyer and what they are willing to pay. The problem is you don't have many buyers (only a limited number have 12 permits). The other problem is many of your interested buyers will already have some of these firearms. Sad truth; your DEWATS will do as well, if not better than your FA's.
Another option is to donate to a museum and request a tax receipt. Many museums will provide generous tax receipts, my Grandfather received a tax receipt for $1000 when he donated his Misquito (sorry I can't spell this morning) manual.
I have seen FA's for sale on sites like Collectors Source and Milarm and they request premium pricing. Long story short, they usually just don't sell at those prices. The last MP44 that Milarm had, the seller took it off consignment, it never did sell.
Marstar currently advertises some FA MG42's for sale, the last time I checked they were priced just shy of $4000.
It really comes down to finding a buyer and what they are willing to pay. The problem is you don't have many buyers (only a limited number have 12 permits). The other problem is many of your interested buyers will already have some of these firearms. Sad truth; your DEWATS will do as well, if not better than your FA's.
Another option is to donate to a museum and request a tax receipt. Many museums will provide generous tax receipts, my Grandfather received a tax receipt for $1000 when he donated his Misquito (sorry I can't spell this morning) manual.
I have seen FA's for sale on sites like Collectors Source and Milarm and they request premium pricing. Long story short, they usually just don't sell at those prices. The last MP44 that Milarm had, the seller took it off consignment, it never did sell.
agentcq.
Thanks very much for your comments.
A collector friend and I recently discussed 12(6) s in a similar context.
The young collectors unfortunately can't own this stuff.
So....who will own the Lugers in Canada at some point in the future?
Pricing and the quality of the piece (and rarity) are always critical factors.
David
I am glad that I don't own a bunch of 12(2) pieces.....as much as I would like to.
Thanks very much for your comments.
A collector friend and I recently discussed 12(6) s in a similar context.
The young collectors unfortunately can't own this stuff.
So....who will own the Lugers in Canada at some point in the future?
Pricing and the quality of the piece (and rarity) are always critical factors.
David
I am glad that I don't own a bunch of 12(2) pieces.....as much as I would like to.
Boomer74,
Something changed for sure....all of the guns shown below used to be FAs ...they are now CAs.
I would prefer that they don't have to be welded up tight at some point in the future.
David
P.S.
It will be interesting to see how our American friends fare with the increased pressure on the assault rifle issue and high capacity mags?????
Something changed for sure....all of the guns shown below used to be FAs ...they are now CAs.
I would prefer that they don't have to be welded up tight at some point in the future.
David
P.S.
It will be interesting to see how our American friends fare with the increased pressure on the assault rifle issue and high capacity mags?????
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Thanks for the info agentcq.
Selling in two days is pretty fast.
Unfortunately the requirements for deactivation today are different than what they used to be.
From what I understand things get welded up pretty tight....no moving action, and I don't know if the top cover is welded shut as well.
The M1928A1 Thompson shown below is a very nice dewatt, the action does not move but the trigger does as well as the magazine release. The markings are excellent. Savage manufactured in 1942.
It is a shame that they have to be dealt with in this fashion, even though you can't legally take them out to shoot them.
David
Scenes from the film Windtalkers ---Battle of Saipan 1943 --showing a M1928A1 Thompson.
Selling in two days is pretty fast.
Unfortunately the requirements for deactivation today are different than what they used to be.
From what I understand things get welded up pretty tight....no moving action, and I don't know if the top cover is welded shut as well.
The M1928A1 Thompson shown below is a very nice dewatt, the action does not move but the trigger does as well as the magazine release. The markings are excellent. Savage manufactured in 1942.
It is a shame that they have to be dealt with in this fashion, even though you can't legally take them out to shoot them.
David
Scenes from the film Windtalkers ---Battle of Saipan 1943 --showing a M1928A1 Thompson.
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Funny enough there are no requirements for deactivation, just the RCMP's "guidelines". When a gunsmith dewats a firearm I don't think it has to go for inspection at the firearms lab, it's just accepted at face value that the deactivation has been done properly. I could definitely be mistaken on this matter but if this is the case, couldn't ####-and-click still be a reality?
