prairie lover
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way more than one hand man. especially if you wanna count wolves in Asia in the equation. when they loose there fear of man bad things happen.
MNR Ontario cancels wolf & coyote hunting & trapping in more zones.
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prairie lover
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there have been studies don't in recent years in the USA about fawn mortality in deer. I don't know where I would find the study now but due to new technology they implant into does in winter they know the minute she drops the fawns. so instead of blindly wandering through the woods looking for newborn fawns to tag they know exactly when and where they drop and are there within minutes. they found some areas that had as high as 80 percent mortality rate. you might as well quit hunting till you have half of the coyotes killed off. they have also found that in order to make the coyote population to decrease you have to kill over 65% of the population a year. they reproduce that fast.
I check a bunch of trail cams today. over 1000 pics. plenty of deer pics. not a single doe with twins. all singles. cant say ive ever seen that before. I hunt an area with a high coyote population. last hunting season, archery to end of rifle, I seen as many coyotes as I seen deer. I shot everyone I could which was maybe 10% of those I seen. Manitoba conservation says our deer here have on average 2.5 young per year. that means half have twins and the other half triplets. I have never seen triplets. usually come fall about half have twins and half singles. that's a lot of fawns missing. I know people that have seen does with triplets come fall hunting but that was back when we had no coyotes and had only fox.
I check a bunch of trail cams today. over 1000 pics. plenty of deer pics. not a single doe with twins. all singles. cant say ive ever seen that before. I hunt an area with a high coyote population. last hunting season, archery to end of rifle, I seen as many coyotes as I seen deer. I shot everyone I could which was maybe 10% of those I seen. Manitoba conservation says our deer here have on average 2.5 young per year. that means half have twins and the other half triplets. I have never seen triplets. usually come fall about half have twins and half singles. that's a lot of fawns missing. I know people that have seen does with triplets come fall hunting but that was back when we had no coyotes and had only fox.
I'm not a wolf hunter so I wasn't aware of this until reading this thread. I think it's pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together to come up with a possible reason why. From the OP's post it seems that the new cancellations involve townships surrounding provincial parks. I seem to recall that folks from the city and folks from Europe like to hear the wolves howl (and even howl back at them) so I googled 'wolf howl' and guess what? Thousands of people visit Algonquin Park each year specifically to attend organized 'wolf howl' events. But, according to this news article, these events have been cancelled for the last couple of years because the organizers couldn't find a pack of wolves to howl at the tourists. So my guess is that they are attempting to protect wolf populations around these parks and capture some of them to release along the Hwy. 60 corridor in Algonquin for their howls. Cha-ching.
Either someone in the MNR has an agenda, or someone with an agenda has the ear of the MNR. There's more politics than science going on here.
XX Moosehead XX
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Nature is brutal. Humans far worse.
prairie lover
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agree. humans don't eat the rear end of live animals. legal hunters don't kill and eat a few ounces and leave.
XX Moosehead XX
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We used to be. Far from it now. We've forgotten our instincts. Too busy trying to mold, and dominate the earth.
I wasn't a fan of Disney. To busy fishing and playing hockey as a youngen.
Moosehead, I have no doubt you're a fine fellow, however, on this debate its best to just agree that we disagree. Maybe in 40 years or so when you have more life experiences instead of mostly just what you read in class, you may or you may not have a slightly different outlook on a subject such as this.
Anyways, there was no disrespect intended towards you in my posts...I'm just stating what I've come to realize through my observations....cheers.
XX Moosehead XX
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Fair enough. No disrespect taken, and certainly I meant no disrespect. As a 40yr old, I'm no spring chicken either!
If a wolf does not kill somthing the animal will not eat starves and dies. If you don't shoot something you still eat good plenty of food in the grocery store.
Most hunter do not care about eating wild game they throw it out or just sits in the freezer till it goes bad
So you would rather hire someone to do your killing for you.(grocery store)
Do you have any idea how much meat is thrown out at your typical grocery store because it passes its best before date?
You seem to be an anti hunter overall, not just an anti wolf hunter.
JMHO
If you're going to be on this forum you ought to at least get some free, accurate educational information.........
If a wolf does not kill somthing the animal will not eat starves and dies. Not true, a wolf and or a coyote will scavenge food or steal it from others. He definitely isn't going to feel sorry for itself due to its lack of hunting success and die.
It will almost always move towards humans and their animals as an easy source of food when it is having trouble killing/finding its own food.
I have seen coyotes eat the hard canning pears that had fallen and even eat calf chit when things were tough. Why do you think they are so prolific.
That's definitely one of the most ignorant things I've seen posted about hunters in quite a while.
XX Moosehead XX
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I never referenced the MNR. They were neutered many years ago. Mike Harris took care of them. They're mostly enforcement, and rule makers now. Consequently, most don't obey their rules. And because of their confinement to offices, they've lost their connection with the forests/wetlands/waterways they're entrusted to protect.
bearkilr
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They must've gotten here by helicopter because I'm in central MB and they were here in the 60's and 70's. Lewis and Clark encountered them in the Dakotas in 1804 or so. It's in the eastern portions of North America that coyotes are fairly recent.
