MNR Ontario cancels wolf & coyote hunting & trapping in more zones.
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Chuckbuster
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Yes. The question was more rhetorical than anything else; just saying that wolves can easily be made extinct with a little human effort.
Also, just to be clear I have no issues with people hunting wolves as another game species. However, as has been expressed by others, I disagree with the notion that wolves should be killed at every opportunity and indiscriminately because they are wolves based on a mistaken belief that they are the root cause of low ungulate populations.
The list offered from Wikipedia is interesting for a number of points, not just for some of the fanciful descriptions. A quick look also shows something like 35 fatal attacks, many involving rabid animals, with something like that number of fatalities over about 250 years. Compare that to black bears at something like 60 fatal attacks over the last century, and it can be seen that wolves are not exactly a menace lurking behind every tree and stone.
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Keep in mind that list spans 150 years or so .
Take a look to what is happing in a mine in Northern Saskatchewan, then lets see what you have to say
Yep, there's 3 attacks right there in SK. ht tp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatchewan-wolf-attack-1.3740927
Instead of judging and mudslinging why not just share your personal experiences and if you don't have any, read others.
A lot changed in the GTA farmland where I lived in the 1970's and 80's. Jackrabbit, ducks, fox and groundhog populations were all shrinking fast. At the same time coyotes were becoming alarming in their numbers. Farming was changing too, many farms dropped their livestock and began cash cropping, equine farms were replacing the ones that remained. People became a lot less concerned with mortal protection of crop fields. The farms that remained operational had increased livestock losses attributed to coyotes. Local farmers banded together and ran hounds on the yotes shooting around 100 per year. As the city people moved in wanting to hear howling dogs they would call the police on the hunters/farmers to harass them, it worked, they grew less interested. Then mange hit, you could see it on some bad, if you don't know they lose their fur from itch and when the cold weather hits, they freeze to death. The numbers of yotes declined slightly in the 90's and rabbits, deer and turkey have flourished particularly early in the areas that were hunted by those farmers.
I was one of those farmers hunting coyotes and I have no hate for coyotes but when they come within sight of your house or farm in search of food, you would be best to take them seriously.
Coyotes have been around the GTA farms since the 50's for sure and likely long before that but back then farmers wouldn't let one pass, now it's the opposite.
The takeaway is that man can take position within nature or not and nature will adjust but things will still die either way. Neither position is wrong or right just different. Banning hunting is human's manipulation of nature too and I would not be trying to protect a super coyote from becoming the new norm
A lot changed in the GTA farmland where I lived in the 1970's and 80's. Jackrabbit, ducks, fox and groundhog populations were all shrinking fast. At the same time coyotes were becoming alarming in their numbers. Farming was changing too, many farms dropped their livestock and began cash cropping, equine farms were replacing the ones that remained. People became a lot less concerned with mortal protection of crop fields. The farms that remained operational had increased livestock losses attributed to coyotes. Local farmers banded together and ran hounds on the yotes shooting around 100 per year. As the city people moved in wanting to hear howling dogs they would call the police on the hunters/farmers to harass them, it worked, they grew less interested. Then mange hit, you could see it on some bad, if you don't know they lose their fur from itch and when the cold weather hits, they freeze to death. The numbers of yotes declined slightly in the 90's and rabbits, deer and turkey have flourished particularly early in the areas that were hunted by those farmers.
I was one of those farmers hunting coyotes and I have no hate for coyotes but when they come within sight of your house or farm in search of food, you would be best to take them seriously.
Coyotes have been around the GTA farms since the 50's for sure and likely long before that but back then farmers wouldn't let one pass, now it's the opposite.
The takeaway is that man can take position within nature or not and nature will adjust but things will still die either way. Neither position is wrong or right just different. Banning hunting is human's manipulation of nature too and I would not be trying to protect a super coyote from becoming the new norm
canadian hunter312
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Far from it. The areas where the wolf/coyote hunts have been canceled to protect the endangered Algonquin wolf are very tiny and affect very few coyote/wolf hunters. The rest of the province is free to hunt coyotes all year.
What really boggles my mind is how so many moose hunters despise wolves and blame the wolf for low moose populations due to high calf mortality, yet those same hunters have no problem hunting calves and think the MNRF is crazy for trying to reduce calf harvest. Kill all wolves because they kill calves, but humans should be able to harvest all the calves they want? Makes no sense.
Dorian Gray
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This is not correct. Look up the laws concerning wolf/coyote hunting anywhere north of the French/Mattawa rivers. Basically, 90%+ of the total area of Ontario has a limited season (albeit a long-ish one) and are limited to a total of 2 tags for either wolf or coyote. As for the moose hunt, moose are pretty much exclusively hunted in areas with the wolf/coyote hunting laws I just mentioned. A man would have to be daft to think restrictions on wolf/coyote hunting seasons in the overwhelming majority of the province, and a limited total in term of numbers of wolves/coyotes taken, would not have an effect on the overall moose population. So sure, moose hunters in Ontario are pissed off about the system that's in place now. Mostly because it's built upon bad science and in practice, results in bad game management overall.
