It was pretty clear to me before I bought my tag that a change for this year was the requirement for mandatory reporting if you bought a tag. Regardless of whether or not you even hunted. Simple solution: if you don't want to fill out the survey, don't buy the tag.
MNR turkey questionnaire
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madtrapper143
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I am trying to keep this on track. It is not the issue of filling out the survey it the issue of it being mandatory. I have see no evidence in this thread of anyone not wanting to do the survey , only that the mandatory nature of the legislation is bothersome to some hunters. I agree with Beretta 1963 that if only 9,000 hunters of 45,000 tags purchased reported, then a lot of good management info was not captured. The mandatory system has corrected this. Always pros and cons with issues.
Darryl
Darryl
1963beretta
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Bingo....one agreed to the terms when the tag was purchased. If they don't follow through with the requirement, then no reason why they should be allowed to repeat their non compliance
manicmechanic
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I have had to fill out surveys for deer & moose for as long as I have been hunting - small game seems to be the only exception.
Not a big deal in my opinion - hopefully when the MNR realizes the nuisance the overpopulation of turkeys has become they will expand the hunt. I remember hearing they were talking about a fall hunt.
Not a big deal in my opinion - hopefully when the MNR realizes the nuisance the overpopulation of turkeys has become they will expand the hunt. I remember hearing they were talking about a fall hunt.
Darryl, let's be honest... if it was not mandatory, and if there were not penalties, very few people would do it... that is why it is mandatory and why there are penalties. I hate being told what to do, but I get it in this case.
Actually moose and deer were voluntary surveys, Until this year, now they will be mandatory.
madtrapper143
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Is there any evidence known to the MNR that the voluntary surveys were not being done? It would interesting to know how low hunter participation was when the surveys were not mandatory. Deer, moose and bear surveys were voluntary (except controlled deer hunt areas) for a long, long time. The MNR seemed to get along under that program gathering data. I wonder what has changed lately to make the reporting mandatory. May I suggest other measures such as, if you submit your report ( be it deer , moose turkey whatever) you go in a draw for a free tag for the next season or other things that would encourage participation. Hoyt I hope you realize that every time something becomes "mandatory" a little bit more of what you and I and other old-timers have grown to love is being whittled away... I think you do.
Darryl
Darryl
1963beretta
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Maybe they look at past and present participation rates and compare with other provinces or states. If participation rates have been trending downward or have been historically lower then our counterparts, they may have made a decision based on this. Or maybe it was part of their strategy to leverage the online system to make everything as convenient as possible for hunters and offset that convenience with an ability to generate a vastly greater amount of information then ever before. Im ok with a this...its a two way street.
I completely hear and understand your concern with making things mandatory. As long as the surveys remain general without the need to provide personal information, Im ok with this new model. It makes it easier for me to enjoy my pass time and I feel more empowered that Im providing useful info that could help with the expansion of said pass time.
I completely hear and understand your concern with making things mandatory. As long as the surveys remain general without the need to provide personal information, Im ok with this new model. It makes it easier for me to enjoy my pass time and I feel more empowered that Im providing useful info that could help with the expansion of said pass time.
This objection to a "mandatory" system is not realistic or being put in proper perspective. We live every day of our lives with mandatory laws, rules and regulations... in the Wild West days Samuel Colt levelled the playing field and made all men equal, before that, the strongest took what they wanted, when they wanted... there are still parts of the world where that is the rule of the land, and from the west we look at those areas in horror... genocides are still occurring. Every time you get behind the steering wheel you must obey a mandatory law on threat of penalty... every time you park at a meter, you must obey a mandatory law on threat of penalty... it is how society operates and allows people to live in relative peace and comfort. Really, a mandatory user report for something as prized as our natural resources and game seems like such a small thing to be fretting over... my 2 coppers.
madtrapper143
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Well I can see this isn't a big deal to most. I have to comply but I don't have to like it.
Darryl
Darryl
Feel free to grumble at your keyboard...
I was actually smiling, because I disliked the mail-in cards even more, in that I had to pay for postage and a trip to the P.O to send them in... this online system is much better, and it did away with the 24 hour phone in for turkeys, that always took away from my hunting time when I was actually in the field.
madtrapper143
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I guess it will make my life a lot easier. I wish I had realized it sooner. Would not have wasted so much time here grumbling instead of looking at the bright side. I have already done my spring bear hunt questionnaire and only have to do a bear report again in the fall and a deer and moose report. Not so bad. There was a time the mail in reports had postage paid stamps on them. Again my issue was not how hard or easy it was to report, it was the fact that it must be done now under threat of prosecution. Back to my cave.
Darryl
Darryl
1963beretta
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Darryl, the way you feel is the way you feel. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think we have to pick our battles and this is one that probably doesn't need to be fought....especially if it helps open up more hunting opportunities. I cant speak for big game hunting as I don't participate in that aspect of hunting. But certainly many more opportunities have been opened up with regards to hunting turkeys. We may never come to know how surveys are analyzed but I cant imagine that it would lead to a regression in any way. And if it does, maybe thats how we will come to find out the importance of the information collected. Who knows
I do know this.....having surveys from every tag sale has to provide more insight then surveys only from hunters who have harvested birds. Maybe when in depth statistics begin to be established, we’ll be better off from a hunting perspective moving forward. Glass half full I guess
I do know this.....having surveys from every tag sale has to provide more insight then surveys only from hunters who have harvested birds. Maybe when in depth statistics begin to be established, we’ll be better off from a hunting perspective moving forward. Glass half full I guess
madtrapper143
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I am not trying to pick my battle with you gents. I consider you guys (and gals) my peers. It is the often senseless way legislation is written by lawmakers that I would like to battle with. (David and Goliath comes to mind) The test of time will show how this gathered information is being used. I hope it is for the better and not ignored.
Darryl
Darryl
1963beretta
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Amen to that! And I cant speak for everyone, but I never saw any of this as a battle......only an open and free discussion!
First of all, I tried, twice, to complete the form. It did not work. I got annoyed, or butt hurt, as 1963 beretta called it after the threat of no more tags.
And to be honest, my faith in meaningful data being collected, and then used appropriately is not that high. Consider the collapse of the Maritime fishery in the past, the Ontario mose hunt, and the recent BC sport fishing closures. All done in conjunction with lots of data.
That is all.
And to be honest, my faith in meaningful data being collected, and then used appropriately is not that high. Consider the collapse of the Maritime fishery in the past, the Ontario mose hunt, and the recent BC sport fishing closures. All done in conjunction with lots of data.
That is all.
