Mock suppressors legal in Canada?Y/N
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Silencer is a Prohibited Device, not a Prohibited Weapon.
The problem with taking advice from people who don't know the first thing they are talking about is their information is worth exactly what you paid for it .... ZIP!
There are several prominent silencer patents that feature models with no baffles. I can think of several quite different designs that don't use baffles in the conventional sense.
I have had several opportunities to unknowingly test an empty silencer tube and found them to be surprisingly good at reducing sound. You want to be VERY careful about fooling with a home brewed fakie. Not knowing what you are doing and assuming an empty can is not a suppressor cause it has no baffles is likely to get you into a lot of trouble.
The US has more stringent rules for what constitutes a fake suppressor so anything approved as such in the US should be more than fine here. Otherwise it would be best to build something that does not protrude forward of the muzzle. That way it would be blindingly obvious to anyone that the thing is a fake and cannot possibly result in a sound reduction.
More importantly at that point we can shoot whomever we want as well.
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You're absolutly correct suputin, you more or less corrected what I was trying to say, they are infact a prohibited device-typo
And by saying that they have no baffels, probably would have been better off saying no internal components- Trying to get exactly that point across that an empty tube could still muffle the sound.
I'm nowhere near old enough to own a suppressor in canada I am simply relaying the information, thanks for the corrections. I can only help but think you may be lucky enough to be a master of the silent art, certainly would value your thoughts about suppressors over a cfo any day, simply stating what he told me in regards to how mock suppressors could be interpreted by the liberal agenda goons.
And by saying that they have no baffels, probably would have been better off saying no internal components- Trying to get exactly that point across that an empty tube could still muffle the sound.
I'm nowhere near old enough to own a suppressor in canada I am simply relaying the information, thanks for the corrections. I can only help but think you may be lucky enough to be a master of the silent art, certainly would value your thoughts about suppressors over a cfo any day, simply stating what he told me in regards to how mock suppressors could be interpreted by the liberal agenda goons.
Nobody is old enough to own silencers in Canada as they are totally prohibited. Even I can't own any .... however my company owns quite a few.
Just to annoy, here are pics of a couple of real ones .... made in Canada and everything.
It is pretty well inconceivable that even an empty can attached to the muzzle will not reduce the sound by .0000000000001 decibel. A prosecutor could argue that the claims that the seized device was not intended nor designed to muffle are bogus. The only one who gets to decide if the device qualifies as a silencer is a judge at trial. Is the potential upside of having a gun with a cool/stupid 'cosmetic' muzzle attachment worth the potential downside?
PS. I would write more but I have to go browse the EE for gigantic codpieces. At least we know they're legal!
PS. I would write more but I have to go browse the EE for gigantic codpieces. At least we know they're legal!
It is pretty well inconceivable that even an empty can attached to the muzzle will not reduce the sound by .0000000000001 decibel. A prosecutor could argue that the claims that the seized device was not intended nor designed to muffle are bogus. The only one who gets to decide if the device qualifies as a silencer is a judge at trial. Is the potential upside of having a gun with a cool/stupid 'cosmetic' muzzle attachment worth the potential downside?
PS. I would write more but I have to go browse the EE for gigantic codpieces. At least we know they're legal!
don't forget, the sound reduction has to be measurable. If they can't measure it, they can't show it reduces anything. And i'm fairly certain that if it reduces it by .0000000000001 decibel, no machine is able to detect that.
Some fake suppressors are sold in Canada, which means they've already been cleared as not being silencers. So your answer is already there. Personally, i have ZERO interest in em, but for those who want them, they can very well do so legally and without worrying much about any legal downside.
Current measurement equipment can prob resolve 0.25 dB or so but not much better than that. Due to the unique nature of the event we are trying to measure it requires extremely specialized equipment that most people do not have access to .... not even government agencies.
One problem with measuring sound suppressor performance is that an average of 10 shots is usually used and performance can vary greatly from day to day and gun to gun. We who are routinely involved with these things learn to live with the uncertain nature of the sound measurement. I doubt lawyers and judges would understand this.
Put holes in it that direct sound and blast sideways like a muzzle brake.
Real can or fake? Where was this taking place, outdoors or indoors? It is possible to run into effects like this, especially indoors where the sonic crack is reflected back at the shooter. The longer duration of the flight noise and high pitch can make it sound louder.
This thread got me thinking. I found www.silencerresearch.com to be very informative. Looking at the results of extensive silencer testing makes one realize how our firearms laws have nothing to do with reality (again). The only thing being protected by Canada's prohibition of silencers is the market share of hearing aid manufacturers.
The GSG 1911 Tactical has a fake suppressor. It's classified as a removeable round barrel extension. They are legal because they don't redues the noise at all they actually make it louder. They are also legal in the states but you have to be careful on what state you bring it into same with real suppressors (they are legal in most US States)
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Where do i get a padded codpiece.....ah i mean fake supressor??
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I'm sure you can find all the padded codpieces you want at 'Fudds-R-Us'.
The OP was just asking a simple question, no need for all you comedians with your opinions. Even less need for the insults. The warnings about "not getting caught walking around with one" are plain stupid. Who "walks around" with a gun, anyway? (with or without a suppressor)
As far as fake suppressors go, it is well established that they are permissible in Canada. Several retailers carry them, and they are included as a package with some guns. But for actual legal advice, you should find a better source.
CGN is supposed to be a source for information and dialogue. Some of you would do well to remember that.
There are some advantages to be had with suppressors, fake or otherwise. They add weight to the barrel, which aids in recoil and follow-up shots. They also reduce muzzle blast. That said, they are an individual preference, and leave it at that.
The OP was just asking a simple question, no need for all you comedians with your opinions. Even less need for the insults. The warnings about "not getting caught walking around with one" are plain stupid. Who "walks around" with a gun, anyway? (with or without a suppressor)
As far as fake suppressors go, it is well established that they are permissible in Canada. Several retailers carry them, and they are included as a package with some guns. But for actual legal advice, you should find a better source.
CGN is supposed to be a source for information and dialogue. Some of you would do well to remember that.
There are some advantages to be had with suppressors, fake or otherwise. They add weight to the barrel, which aids in recoil and follow-up shots. They also reduce muzzle blast. That said, they are an individual preference, and leave it at that.
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I am planning on getting a ruger 22/45 lite and it will accept an attachment on the end. I have found a pac - lite compensator on Brownells website that says it is shippable to Canada. It doesn't muffle the sound only is supposed to help eliminate muzzle jump. From what I have read in the forums and heard from a member in Alberta they are legal to have in Canada. Am I right?
