Model 64 lineage

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Can anybody shed some light on Model 64 history of 22 repeaters , lineage, evolution? Is the Savage, Winchester, Lakefield derivative of these models an extension of the Cooey? And what parts are interchangeable? Thanks.
 
I adore the 64!

Originally built by Cooey (under Winchester ownership). Although one could be had in '63, the official release was January of '64. The original 64 had a plastic magazine. This was changed early in production to accept a metal magazine (I think 64B, but not certain).

Changes were made to the ejector (change from bent wire to flat plate), and extractor (spring steel retained by screw was changed to plate style, actuated by coil spring, and retained by roll pin).

Lakefield continued production of the 64B after Cooey dissolved. Not certain exactly when, but it was under Lakefield that a thumb safety was introduced.

When Savage purchased Lakefield, production continued. Changes/introductions by Savage include the availability of synthetic stocks, stainless models, and a heavy barreled model.

Either late Lakefield, or Early Savage changed the magazine profile to include a small cut out after the feed rails, and the follower was changed to red. The metal magazines are all compatible.

Basically the same rifle made for 50+ years, and still running.
 
Savage Cooey Model 64

Love my Savage 64G, wood stock, great plinker. Put glass on it then removed as more fun with iron sites. My son has an older Cooey 64 which I purchased at auction, same mags.
 
chanman said:
Aren't the 64's the semi's? The repeaters are the Mark II/Stevens 300 and the single-shots the Mark 1/Savage Cub
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vinver said:
Right, I guess I was reading a bunch of articles all together and got a wee confused, but it's the 64, 64A , 64B designated models I was looking at.
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Not normally a grammar Nazi, a semi is also a repeater. Taken from an older CFSC Manual:

semi-automatic:
a). An action which fires, extracts, ejects, chambers and cocks with each separate pull of the
trigger.
b). For registration purposes, a repeating firearm requiring that the trigger be pulled for each
shot fired and which uses the energy of the discharge to perform part of the operating cycle;
sometimes called auto-loading or self-loading actions.
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Well, yes, but there is a Model 60 (one on the EE right now) that has "Cooey Repeater .22 cal Model 60 " actually stamped on it, so it is a specific model od Cooey's , where the 64 series is just that, a different series.
 
I won one of these puppies in a draw from the CFI at a local gunshow last w/e and was surprised to see that it was made in Lakefield Ont. Seems to be a rugged design. I was hoping for the trolling motor that I bought a ticket on but this little rifle was a nice present. I think my 10/22 and my 597 don't agree but I'm looking forward to trying it out. :)
 
vinver said:
Well, yes, but there is a Model 60 (one on the EE right now) that has "Cooey Repeater .22 cal Model 60 " actually stamped on it, so it is a specific model od Cooey's , where the 64 series is just that, a different series.
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I have one too. Stamped "Cooey Repeater" but not model 60 would indicate it is a repeater(obviously bolt action), and manufactured between '31, and '39.

It is a repeating firearm, like the 64. It is a tube-magged, bolt action repeater, unlike the 64.
 
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vinver said:
Well, yes, but there is a Model 60 (one on the EE right now) that has "Cooey Repeater .22 cal Model 60 " actually stamped on it, so it is a specific model od Cooey's , where the 64 series is just that, a different series.
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I have one too. Stamped "Cooey Repeater" but not model 60 would indicate it is a repeater(obviously bolt action), and manufactured between '31, and '39...one of the popular issues in any forum is semantics. If someone here inquires about a "clip", there's no shortage of help explaining they don't need a clip, but a magazine! For Cooey between '31 and '39 a "repeater" meant a particular model, whereas the word actually has a significant meaning in current gun nomenclature.
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Thanks Camster, do you know how much is interchangeable for parts over the years?
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Interesting topic...and open to debate. I successfully ran my 'ol '64 bolt in a newer SavageFSS before reading [on the internet] bolt handles are of a different size!

For certain:
Magazines of the metal variety are interchangeable. Trigger groups are interchangeable (but side-safety may require inletting). Magazine well is interchangeable but the barrel/mag-well retaining clip is not. Barrels are swappable, but ejector must match barrel(not bolt)...

Any additions I may learn from too!
 
camster said:
Not certain exactly when, but it was under Lakefield that a thumb safety was introduced.
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Always assumed that was savage's idea. I like my sears 6c without the thumbsafety.

I need to write down, or take pictures when I work on other people's rifles. I had a 64 with the plastic mag to work on, and now I can't remember any details of what made it different, except that going from plastic mag well to metal mag well wasn't a direct swap, and I left the plastic mag well in, and replaced the magazine spring in the old plastic magazine with one from a new metal magazine.
 
Mag wells are a direct swap when converting an older plastic magazine model to use metal. You must also change the clip that retains the barrel (and the font of the magazine well.) You can identify the difference quickly by examining the mechanism that retains the magazine. Those that accept metal magazines have a spring loaded hasp on the front of the mag well, plasic magazine is held by a longer leaf-spring on the back of the well.
 
camster said:
Mag wells are a direct swap when converting an older plastic magazine model to use metal. You must also change the clip that retains the barrel (and the font of the magazine well.) You can identify the difference quickly by examining the mechanism that retains the magazine. Those that accept metal magazines have a spring loaded hasp on the front of the mag well, plasic magazine is held by a longer leaf-spring on the back of the well.
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I could of sworn I changed the barrel retaining clip as well, and it still wasn't functional. But again, my memory is bad and can't recall correctly why.
Trying to do a search of the forum because I might of mentioned why in the past.

Oh yes, checked my inbox and luckily I didn't delete the PM I sent to Winnipeg Toymaker about it:

Hello, I agreed to fix a cooey 64 for a friend, thinking it was a metal magazine version.
Lo and behold it's an early plastic magazine version.

So, having a newer sears/cooey with the metal magazine, I changed the magwell & barrel clamp on the old one. The older barrel clamp had a feed ramp on it as well.

First thing I noticed is the magazine will not lock into the rifle with the bolt closed, is this common?

Secondly, once I insert an empty magazine and close the bolt - it doesn't close all the way. It seems the feed ramp that's present on the metal magazine magwell is keeping the bolt from fully closing. Could be something on the magazine as well.

The actual issue with the rifle was a bent ejector(should be easy to fix) wire and I think the firing pin might need replacing. I figured I'd convert it to the metal magazine, as he has another cooey 64 - a newer metal magazine version, and he would probably like having one magazine type for both rifles.

Anyways, rambling on, just wondering if you encountered the issues I mentioned earlier. I always thought it was a simply switch, but it seems enough is different to make it a little more difficult then I thought.
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Reply from Winnipeg Toymaker:
Hi Ryan...yes.... to change the magwell , should not be difficult. you can start by filing the notch in the mag til it fits in place with it loaded and bolt closed. Just trial and error at best but do not file too much at a time.
I have done a few and then the mag fits . I have a early plastic mag 64 and 2 mags. both work fine guess i am lucky. but good luck , they are great little guns.
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So not a foolproof 'drop in' conversion, a little filing might be necessary - nothing major.
 
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I have read of many folks who had to tickle a new magazine with a file to get it to fully seat. Not just on converted rifles. Luckily never had to do this personally.

One more step I neglected to mention (read as: forgot), is the bottom metal will require a bit of shaping to reach the new hasp.

^^ Firing pins are basically the same, but after reading of the different sized charging handles(another thread), I would have to believe the cut-out in the firing pin has to change accordingly.

ADD-ON to the video(s)
I didn't make the youtube vid(s) I linked. I would suggest that the marring shown on the example bolt's bottom isn't from sear or safety, but from the screwsthat retain a magazine well protruding into the action.
 
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