Modern Sporting Rifles

[trebor2880]

My vote goes to "assault weapons".

 

[Slaymoar]

I'd just call it "Tactical Rifles"..

 

[FoxAlpha]

I myself prefer the term "modern musket".

 

[BigUglyMan]

A modern sporting rifle is a hunting or varmit rifle built off an AR 15 pattern. Ergo since our AR 15s are range only firearms they cannot be MSRs.....

You are incorrect.

From the NSSF:

What has erroneously been termed an "assault weapon" is a semi-automatic firearm (Modern Sporting Rifle) that fires just one bullet with each pull of the trigger (versus a fully automatic firearm -- machine gun -- which continues to shoot until the trigger is released).

 

[BigUglyMan]

My vote goes to "assault weapons".

And you too would be wrong. Look up the definition and get back to us. Might as well call them "sedans" if you want to use an incorrect term.

 

[notsorichguy]

You are incorrect.

From : http://www.nssf.org/MSR/history.cfm

History of The American Rifle

On an August afternoon in 1863, Christopher Spencer made his way to the White House with a rifle in hand.

The gun he was carrying, and which he had invented, was significantly different from traditional rifles of the time that could only be fired once before having to be reloaded. The new Spencer Repeating rifle could be loaded with seven cartridges in a tubular magazine and featured a lever under the trigger. When the lever was pushed down and then brought back up, the spent casing of the round that was fired was ejected and a new round was automatically fed into the chamber.

Upon arriving at the White House, Spencer, President Lincoln and a naval aide walked over to a small park near the Treasury Building where the aide set up a makeshift pine board target so that Lincoln could test the new rifle himself. Repeatedly hitting the target, Lincoln was impressed with the accuracy, rapid-fire and multi-shot capabilities of the Spencer and immediately recommended the rifle to the Army. Soon tens of thousands of Spencer rifles were being delivered to Union troops.

While the Spencer Repeating Arms Company founded after the war, lever-action rifles, notably those produced by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company, became tremendously popular rifles among pioneers, hunters and homesteaders for the very same reasons they were popular among the troops in the Civil War. More compact, lighter, and easier to handle, they offered the owner quick and multiple shots before reloading.

One of President Theodore Roosevelt's favorite hunting rifles was a Winchester lever-action Model 1895.

If the anti-gun movement had been active in the late 19th century, they may well have labeled such rapid-fire, high capacity magazine rifles as the "assault weapons" of their day. And it would have been as inaccurate then as it is today to label a civilian sporting rifle an "assault weapon."

For well over a century, many of our most popular sporting rifles have directly evolved from a service rifle of a particular era. Battlefield requirements in a rifle such as accuracy, ruggedness, reliability and fast follow-up shots are features equally sought by hunters and target shooters.

The bolt-action centerfire rifle, for many decades America's classic deer hunting rifle, is a descendent of the First World War battle rifle, the 1903 Springfield. The bolt-action of the Springfield offered smooth and rapid cycling of the action and allowed for the use of a more powerful cartridge, the .30/06, accurate at ranges out to 1000 yards. More than a hundred years later, the .30/06 remains as America's most popular big game hunting cartridge.

The first semi-automatic (one shot per pull of the trigger) U.S. service rifle, the Springfield .30 M-1, popularly known as the Garand, saw service initially in the Second World War. Not long after the war, a wide range of semi-automatic hunting rifles as well as semi-automatic shotguns were developed by sporting arms manufacturers and have gained widespread popularity among both hunters and clay target shooters.

Today, the AR-15 looks like the M-16 service rifle that first saw combat in Vietnam. To be sure, the AR-15 does not look like a traditional sporting rifle. Neither, in their time, did the Spencer or the Springfield. What the AR-15 does look like is the latest iteration of a modern rifle that employs advanced technology and ergonomic design to produce an exceptionally reliable, rugged and accurate sporting rifle. Produced in different configurations and chambered in a variety of calibers, AR-type rifles not only can be used for, indeed are exceptionally well suited to, many types of hunting, precision target shooting as well as personal protection. In recent years, AR-type rifles have become among the most popular sporting rifles sold in the United States.

Unfortunately, some anti-gun organizations have worked hard to mislead the public by calling the civilian versions of service rifles, "assault weapons." This anti-gun strategy is a clever ploy, much in the same way that prohibitionists labeled alcoholic beverages, "demon rum." True "assault weapons" are in fact light machine guns capable of fully automatic fire. Machine guns of all types have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

While AR-type rifles do look different, they function the same way as models of semi automatic rifles and shotguns (one shot per pull of the trigger) that have been in the sporting marketplace for many decades.

From the Kentucky rifle to the most modern sporting arm, accuracy has always been the hallmark of the American rifle. Accuracy should too be the hallmark of any firearms debate.

Also this : http://www.sportsmenslink.org/policies/state/modern-sporting-rifle

Modern Sporting Rifle




Summary

The modern sporting rifle is widely misunderstood throughout the country because, while these rifles may cosmetically look like military rifles, they do not function the same way. Groups wanting to ban these rifles have for years spread misinformation about them to aid their cause. Today, modern sporting rifles are commonly found in the hands of hunters and recreational shooters throughout the nation who value them for their durability and reliability.

Modern Sporting Rifle


Introduction
The modern sporting rifle, based on the AR-15 platform, is widely misunderstood throughout the country. Confusion exists because while these rifles may cosmetically look like military rifles, they do not function in the same way. Groups wanting to ban these rifles have for years spread misinformation about them to aid their cause.
The AR-15 platform is a semi-auto carbine or rifle, most often in .223 or .308 calibers, designed to accommodate a vast array of accessories such as scopes and other sights, slings, lights, and much more. Folding or telescoping stocks and pistol grips can customize cosmetic appearance, but the core functionality of an AR remains identical to traditional semi-auto long guns.
Modern rifles and accessories are a booming trend within the firearms industry. Sales figures are difficult to report accurately because many manufacturers are privately held companies, and ATF statistics do not distinguish between rifle types. However, anecdotal evidence is plentiful. Manufacturers say they're backordered, and that modern firearms now outsell traditional rifles.
Modern Sporting Rifle Facts

• The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for Armalite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”

• AR-15-style rifles are NOT "assault weapons" or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic—a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act since 1934.

• AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.

• Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.

• Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.

• These rifles' accuracy, reliability, ruggedness, and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.

• Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster, and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers, such as 9 mm, .40, .45, and others, are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.

• These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big-game. They are also used for target shooting in national matches.

Crime control legislation should be based upon solid facts, not emotions, cosmetics, or appearance. Semi-automatic firearms are now one of the most popular types of firearms in America and are used for a wide variety of legitimate sporting purposes, including hunting, small game control, target shooting, and personal defense.

And this (which doesn't help my case any) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_sporting_rifle

Modern sporting rifle


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Modern Sporting Rifle (MSR) is a category of popular semi-automatic firearm that includes many firearms, especially those similar to the AR-15 rifles. The firearms industry prefers the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" over others when referring to these guns.

Terminology

The differentiation was created for many reasons, especially to avoid the confusion that was previously created by referring to all MSRs as "ARs" or "AR-15"s. The prior terminology was problematic for many reasons, including:

1.AR is an abbreviation for ArmaLite, which is a specific manufacturer of MSRs (now owned by Colt). This misrepresents the devices which are made by numerous non-ArmaLite manufacturers including Bushmaster, Smith & Wesson, Stag Arms, and others.

2.Calling some MSRs "AR"s led to a common misconception that it stood for "Assault Rifle" which, in reality, describes weapons that are fully automatic or burst-capable - unlike the modern semi-automatic MSRs.

Google search :

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=13&gs_id=1f&xhr=t&q=modern+sporting+rifle&es_nrs=true&pf=p&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Modernsportin&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.aWc&fp=37a4a20a8cdacd99&biw=1403&bih=899

Believe what you will, but MSR means to me AR-15...... Maybe one day when the platform hits 100 yrs old I'll change my mind (If I'm still alive then).....

 

[lone-wolf]

My vote goes to "assault weapons".

assault firearms

 

[giwolf]

Ah, so you see we agree, and if my AR hadn't become restricted I would still be using it for hunting. In the US the AR is THE modern sporting rifle because it's so good and so much cheaper than the ACR or whatever I have to buy in Canada to achieve the same goal. Nevertheless ACR's and the like in Canada are also MSR's, maybe even more so, though only because of our stupid laws.

Note in Lincoln story above how the truth of the evolution of firearms comes out by correctly calling them by what they are and how easy the Lincoln story is to understand even for a non-enthusiast. Just plain common sense if you ask me.

You can hang onto the past and call them Assault Rifles but in doing that you are playing right into the hands of the antis by allowing them to frame the argument as they want the public to see it. We'll never win over the antis and it's usually not worth trying but I definately don't want to give them more ammunition to scare the public with something we all know isn't scary at all.


I actually don't know if I've heard of someone being assaulted with an AR "assault rifle" in Canada in my lifetime.

 

[Kevin M.]

A name does not change the function of the tool.

You can call a hammer an "impact tool". Both would be correct, but honestly, that is just catering to political correctness to the extreme.

It is the "Black and green rifle" section, which makes sense seeing as it is all about black and green colored rifles.




Antis want your Assault rifle.

Antis want your Black rifle.

Antis want your Modern Sporting rifle.

Antis want your GUNS.



NEVER forget this.

 

[back40sniper]

Oh well, every one has there views. As long as we all work to the same ends, defeating the anti's, its all good. I personally believe a more broad interpretation of MSR, and the more in use off the range, the better for us.

 

[giwolf]

A name does not change the function of the tool.

You can call a hammer an "impact tool". Both would be correct, but honestly, that is just catering to political correctness to the extreme.

It is the "Black and green rifle" section, which makes sense seeing as it is all about black and green colored rifles.




Antis want your Assault rifle.

Antis want your Black rifle.

Antis want your Modern Sporting rifle.



Antis want your GUNS.



NEVER forget this.

That's right they do and as long as we keep agreeing with the antis and calling them what they want the unbiased open minded public will believe them.

It's not the anti's that are going to get all semis banned it's the public the anti's convince that will get them banned.

 

[Mil Specs]

I like the term , I use it a lot . I find it is a much better descriptor when talking to unknowledgeable non firearm types. AR's and other restricted rifles ARE sporting rifles in north america . Referring to them as such to an anti or a non gun type immediately sets a viable legal purpose to ownership (which in a perfect world would need no defence ). Terms like assault rifle are far more commonly used and much further from the truth as far as these guns actual purpose . Gun owners like to argue an AR is no different from many other semi auto's which takes a detachable magazine. This is true, but it is also a good way to get an anti to want ALL GUNS banned . A Garand or an old enfield is probably more aptly termed an military assault rifle as they won a few pretty big wars in the past. Far more than the ar15 ever did anyway,but that just brings it down to minutiae and semantics .

 

[Dick Proenneke]

I think that on a website forum named "Canadian Gunnutz" (Translated: "Nut jobs who like guns"), the title of the sub-forum, be it "Modern Sporting Rifles", or "Black Rifles", is irrelevant. Now if the forum was named "Responsible Gun Owners of Canada", then the sub-forum title might make a difference, in terms of perception.

That being said, we are fighting a public perception battle as responsible gun owners, and having everyone shout the "Assault Rifle" battle cry, does nothing for the cause. It simply polarizes the debate. By framing our hobby, in terms of a sporting endeavour, it does make a difference. I have no doubt that the anti's in the media routinely read this forum and salivate at the comments that are often made here. Why not, we often give them ammunition to promote their cause. Keep in mind, that the hard core anti's are not huge in numbers. They likely represent no more people than the responsible firearms owners in Canada. We are playing tug of war with the silent majority in the middle. It is the opinion of the middle ground that eventually has an impact on policy. By framing shooting in a sporting context, we make the anti's appear like the crazy eccentric ones and win some of the middle ground.

I like the title "Modern sporting rifles". Changing the name does not change my perception of the type of rifles I enjoy. In fact, it is probably the perfect descriptor for how I enjoy them.

 

[hercster]

I think that on a website forum named "Canadian Gunnutz" (Translated: "Nut jobs who like guns"), the title of the sub-forum, be it "Modern Sporting Rifles", or "Black Rifles", is irrelevant. Now if the forum was named "Responsible Gun Owners of Canada", then the sub-forum title might make a difference, in terms of perception.

That being said, we are fighting a public perception battle as responsible gun owners, and having everyone shout the "Assault Rifle" battle cry, does nothing for the cause. It simply polarizes the debate. By framing our hobby, in terms of a sporting endeavour, it does make a difference. I have no doubt that the anti's in the media routinely read this forum and salivate at the comments that are often made here. Why not, we often give them ammunition to promote their cause. Keep in mind, that the hard core anti's are not huge in numbers. They likely represent no more people than the responsible firearms owners in Canada. We are playing tug of war with the silent majority in the middle. It is the opinion of the middle ground that eventually has an impact on policy. By framing shooting in a sporting context, we make the anti's appear like the crazy eccentric ones and win some of the middle ground.

I like the title "Modern sporting rifles". Changing the name does not change my perception of the type of rifles I enjoy. In fact, it is probably the perfect descriptor for how I enjoy them.

I couldn't have said it better Mr. ####. If beating our chests makes us feel better, then that's all it does. The question might be "do we want to feel good or do we want to win?" I'm constantly trying to inform the majority but I would rarely recommend any of the many forums that I'm active in. One or two whiffs of the hairy chest and macho image that is too prevalent online is enough to send possible converts running to the other side of the argument. Rather than "liberal" bash try to persuade one. Just one convert is worth many of the others when we preach to the choir. I agree that the hard and fast "antis" are a relatively small group and beyond reach for all practical purposes.

The middle ground is huge. Because our product is unfairly a hard sell, we need to be accomplished marketeers. One of the groups we need to focus on is our women folk who besides being 50% of the population also have proportionally more power when it comes to influencing the young who are our future. There are also a lot of people who just want to be convinced. We do have an excellent product but really need to focus on how we present it. Except for the LEO's and military among us, we are all sport shooters in one way or another. Why not use the term Modern Sorting Rifle for the tool that many of us use?

Like you, I have often wondered why we use what is a derogatory term for many, as the name of this forum. It's OK to be a car nut or a photography freak but gun nut has a specific and unattractive connotation for too many. It seems that many think that making changes is pandering to the anti's. I disagree and restate the question. Do we want to win?

 

[Leibermuster]

It is up to CGN owner to make any changes and their council to vote on it...

Anyways funny to see a Poll in the black rifle forum on a subject like this.....reminds me of someone....lol...

 

[Dick Proenneke]

It is up to CGN owner to make any changes and their council to vote on it...

Anyways funny to see a Poll in the black rifle forum on a subject like this.....reminds me of someone....lol...

Yes, I understand that Greentips is the boss. However, if it were up to me I would change the name of CGN. I enjoy the forum, however I do not like the connotation the name provokes. And yes, I'm sure that Blaxsun would have something to say about this...RIP

 

[Leibermuster]

Yes, I understand that Greentips is the boss. However, if it were up to me I would change the name of CGN. I enjoy the forum, however I do not like the connotation the name provokes. And yes, I'm sure that Blaxsun would have something to say about this...RIP

Everyone has something to say, it just depends if it is worth reading or not....

The fact is CGN is running fine as is although it is not a bad idea to re-brand at times if anything you can always start your own forum like many else have tried and done for a different approach, really I'm sure there is room for another forum anyway and it is good to have alternatives....that being said if your forum is based off disgruntled ex members that base there membership off cherry picking of this forum then it would be on the wrong track.

I'm pretty sure the owner and the current Mods have herd all this stuff before and it's definitely not worth getting bent out of shape over...

 

[trebor2880]

And you too would be wrong. Look up the definition and get back to us. Might as well call them "sedans" if you want to use an incorrect term.

You gotta lighten up a bit. I'm sure this was meant as humour. I know my former post was.

 

[Mirk]

All I really want to know is if we change the name will it keep the Mini-14 riffraff out of the forum? ‘cause if not I really don’t see the point

 

[AlexF]

Never go full retard

Modern Sporting Rifle ?!?!? The AR15's design is more than 55 year old!