Modern Varmint style uppers and lowers

onetwentyish said:
I suspect it would be to secure the internal pin that the upper trunion slides onto. This would save having to use a press to fit that internal pin.
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Ahhh I think I follow, it slides together with a cross pin securing the rear of the upper and lower together something like this.

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xdmer said:
I was hoping it would be similar to the MV. It would be interesting to see the other side of the receiver.
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It is very similar in the function it serves, but that would be much less expensive than the parts on the varmint and it also frees up the space to put a standard buffer retainer.... I like it and I'm in the waiting list for sure
 
onetwentyish said:
Correct, except the MV's pin is parallel to the BCG, or 90° from how yo picture it. Those bolts would just be tosecure the pin, not actually be the pin themselves as your drawing suggests.
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no, this is exactly what they've done with the sporter vs. the varmint. The varmint ran a "trunion" inline with the bore of the gun, it had a spring behind it and a big set screw putting pressure on that spring. This is simply anchoring a rounded post where a rear takedown pin 'would' be and having a 'hook' on the upper instead of a hole. That picture is bang on
 
Uisge said:
Not if you had all the parts already. I’d love to see a version of the sporter without any furniture, Just the assembled upper and lower, I’m sure lots of us have amassed an collection of parts, or have ar’s we would gladly strip to complete the rifle. This would be excellent competition for the SLR. A norc 20” and a receiver set gets you a NR rifle for much less. I would much rather a MV to go with my MH, but I can build an SLR and a second upper easily for a lot less than a varmint and not have a pile of discarded parts to throw on the EE for beans. And I think the part that is missed is we want to build it. Building a range toy has no appeal to me, building a coyote or target rifle sounds like a good time to me. No offense to ATRS, I absolutely love my MH and don’t expect the SLR to be a better rifle than a varmint, and still plan to own one. But I wanna get my build on!
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I see a lot of people making this same argument, "SLR is cheap if you have the parts already". Well unless you had the parts gifted to you the parts you have at home already cost something and should be included in the price of the build.
 
TrevorF said:
I see a lot of people making this same argument, "SLR is cheap if you have the parts already". Well unless you had the parts gifted to you the parts you have at home already cost something and should be included in the price of the build.
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This precisely. My friend has been saying the exact same thing more or less. He claims I could build my MV on the MDI reciever set for 1/2 of what ATRS charged me, so I penciled out a parts list from my MV added them up, added in the cost of the recievers, and low and behold it would only be about $500 cheaper on a stripped receiver set, in an unassembled, untested, state with no warranty.

So are either of these stripped reciever sets actually any cheaper? No. But they do give us greater options in how to build them out like cheap asses, and they do give us the option to do the work, testing, and pay a smith to fix it out of pocket.

The MV and MH are not overpriced for what they are, however they are just simply to far out of many peoples price range and beyond the specs which they require. Not to mention its incredibly easy to get sucked into maxing out your build sheet even if you have no need for any of the upgrades, so it quickly appears more cost prohibitive than it should.
 
onetwentyish said:
This precisely. My friend has been saying the exact same thing more or less. He claims I could build my MV on the MDI reciever set for 1/2 of what ATRS charged me, so I penciled out a parts list from my MV added them up, added in the cost of the recievers, and low and behold it would only be about $500 cheaper on a stripped receiver set, in an unassembled, untested, state with no warranty.

So are either of these stripped reciever sets actually any cheaper? No. But they do give us greater options in how to build them out like cheap asses, and they do give us the option to do the work, testing, and pay a smith to fix it out of pocket.

The MV and MH are not overpriced for what they are, however they are just simply to far out of many peoples price range and beyond the specs which they require. Not to mention its incredibly easy to get sucked into maxing out your build sheet even if you have no need for any of the upgrades, so it quickly appears more cost prohibitive than it should.
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Thank you for doing the math honestly and posting it. The apples to apples comparison is beyond many.
 
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