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- Edmonton, AB
I stuffed a 350 into an S10 once. It solved all my problems, except fuel economy, but that's because of my lead foot.
Modern VARMINTER .... ?
- Thread starter wagnerb
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I don't think you appreciate the logistic nightmare that the variety of calibers you are asking for creates for ATRS. With the MH everything uses the same bolt and same magazines, its simply a matter of a different barrel. To modify the small frame for other calibers suddenly you are stocking multiple types of bolts, magazines (which ATRS doesn't produce, unlike their regular mags...) and barrels. All of which have to be fully tested and vetted for function as they don't want to get every single rifle back not working properly. 6mm-223... are you on glue? Now you want them to produce a factory rifle for order in a wildcat cartridge without factory ammunition commonly available? This is clearly custom work, and will likely never be offered as a factory option. All of this for the dozen or so rifles they might sell in each other caliber. The modular nature of the design is still appealing for people who want to be able to customize handgaurds, stocks, grips etc.
You might be on to something here...
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To be clear... I DO think the prospect of other calibers in the MV is appealing... I just don't think its reasonable to demand ATRS produces them right off the hop when they are trying to do a large (cost effective...) production run in what will certainly be by far the most popular configuration. Let a few of them get out into the wild THEN start to explore how far the platform can be taken.
I'm guessing you didn't call up Chevy and custom order your S10 from the factory with a 350?
I'm guessing you didn't call up Chevy and custom order your S10 from the factory with a 350?
ATRS has to keep explaining over and over why they did what they did. If you want something different, buy it or make it yourself. Half the MH and MV threads have the same question asked and answered 50 times. Look through the 40 pages of guys who will never buy the gun chirp about what it should be and find your answer. The calibre options has been an issue since day 1. Maybe buy those 3 guns and scopes as you will never get an everything rifle without sacrifice. Btw, saying a guy is worse than a Liberal for telling you the truth is childish, grow up man, we all enjoy shooting.
He probably did go and whine to GM why he couldn't just swap between a 1.8L Turbo, 350 and 454.
They are also a business and 223 will sell well. I don't think they're going to release other calibre for only a small percentage of people who want them. It's already a small number of people that will likely buy this gun. At around 4k you can bet most people are not going to be buying one. An additional upper is not going to be cheap either.
my MH is awesome and highly recommend it and I know The MV will be just as sweet
Yes I wish ther was other caliber uppers to go with the MV but I'm still on the Fence whether or not to put up the $
I may just whate for the Second run and see what happens but then agen it would be nice to have a MV wen I get out of camp haahaa
Yes I wish ther was other caliber uppers to go with the MV but I'm still on the Fence whether or not to put up the $
I may just whate for the Second run and see what happens but then agen it would be nice to have a MV wen I get out of camp haahaa
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onetwentyish
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- Location
- East Central AB (AKA Northern Texas)
They are at around $3200. Everything beyond that is purely upgrades that could be made after the purchase and user installed. However ATRS has offered to source and install the most common options at the time of build.
My MV is ordered as a base with the upgrades of a Proof CFW barrel, and ambi controls. All furniture is A2 as ATRS does not source my choices.
So I get it just like any lego rifle, with ####ty furniture that will be cast aside when I get the rifle.
ACR
I already have the 450 running great and the 30AR is in the works for it now as I type.
The demand is there from the hunting crowd, I should know as my rifle has spurred a lot of interest and sales among just people I know that were never interested in a modern rifle like this before.
I myself am interested as the MV is supposed to be a lighter platform and I would sell the ACR provided it hits the mark. If it remains a 223 only rifle and the manufacturer is dead set against caliber conversions it is of no interest to myself and most hunters IMO
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Nobody is Demanding they produce off the hop as you say, However, ATRS has responded in a manner that eludes to them not even wanting to see anyone attempt an aftermarket caliber conversion on their rifles. Something I find strange and will end up being rather prohibitive if you call them to purchase spare parts to enable the conversion/build multiple uppers.
- Location
- calgary alberta
"The .450 Bushmaster is a concept rifle cartridge, developed by Tim LeGendre of LeMag Firearms, and licensed to Bushmaster Firearms International. The .450 Bushmaster is designed to be used in the standard M16 and AR-15 platforms, using modified magazines and upper receiver assemblies."
So lets see here, do you think Bushmaster will grant us license? Or do we just proceed and get sued? Can't imagine who might have the deeper pockets for the win?
How many other manufacturers offer 30 Remington that are not Remington affiliates?
- Location
- calgary alberta
Finally someone who gets it!! It is not as simple as just making the gun, some cartridges are proprietary and as a manufacturer we have to respect this or get hauled into litigation. This is 1 of the reasons we do nothing with 50 Beowulf.
The only way ATRS remains a viable option for the Canadian gun culture is IF we still exist. Treading on the toes of BIG companies is just bad for business.
Making all the weird stuff that has been requested is great but has to be fiscally viable.
In all of the threads on all of the forums there are damned few Canadian companies that have undertaken the financial risks to bring new firearms to the minuscule Canadian market. We know we will never please everyone, it simply can't be done.
Are you saying you will be sued if I built a 450 or 30AR conversion on one of your rifles after purchasing it from you?
If you google 450 Bushmaster, there is a lot of companies selling parts and complete rifles in this caliber so either they were granted a license or litigation is not being pursued. Remington 30AR may be more along the lines of the 50 Beowulf, actually worse in the fact that Canadian companies have produced 50 Beowulf magazines without fear of litigation leading me to believe the AA patent is only registered in the USA. Remingtons patent/licensing is likely worldwide
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- calgary alberta
There is always the potential for litigation for manufacturing something that is either registered trademark like 50 Beowulf is, or licensed as the 450 Bushmaster is. Given that the market in Canada is minute for both the 450 and the 30AR and that 1 decent legal action would kill us, why would be take the risk. Licensing is not cheap. We looked at stock manufacturing 2 years ago in partnership with 1 of the big US makers and the license fee let alone the royalties were just too much given the market size Canada has to offer.
I don't think the 50 Beowulf is licensed in Canada, A good example of this is a large US company like C Products made 50 Beowulf Magazines for sale in Canada only, They do not make them to sell on the USA market because of AA's patent.
I guess I am lucky in the fact that my ACR is really a Remington product so they would be suing themselves in regards to my converted rifles.
It's like ordering the finest steak in the restaurant and asking for ketchup to go with. Quit insulting these guys, these triumphs of Canadian engineering are being offered with the chamberings that THEY see fit. If want something else, go to McDonald's.
Its about shaving lb off the rifle
I now next year I'm taking a kid out elk and moose hunting and my MH will be to heavy for him but he is going to want to shoot it and I hate saying no
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- Edmonton, AB
Several manufacturers offer 6x45mm/6mm-223 (it's the same thing) as a regular chambering. Cooper immediately comes to mind, since they are another high-end, high-performance gun maker. Either way, I think the whole "we're only making this in .223, and that's it" line is bull####. It's Rick's business, no doubt about it, but it's doing a fine job of keeping my money in my wallet through no willpower of my own. It's great he's offering different grip, handguard and stock options. But what if I don't like ANY of them? I'm stuck getting more ####ty A2 junk that's going to sit in a parts bin or get tossed in the trash. I'd rather be sold a stripped lower with LPK and a nearly complete upper to finish as I see fit. I went through this #### setting up my DPMS just the way I wanted it. I learned my lesson to build, not buy.
I'm not expecting other calibers to be offered immediately. I still have a long ways to go to save up for one of these guns on my income. In terms of my V8 powered S10, I built it. Sell me the pile of parts I want to make the gun of my dreams and we both walk away happy.
I want a .223. I also want a deer-suitable caliber to fit the same lower. What I'm getting is "We're making .223 and nothing else, so tough ####. Buy our 13 pound behemoth or don't bother, because we don't want your money that bad."
Are they coming into Canada in NR barrel lengths already? Are they as accurate as an AR15, or what the MV should be capable of? I'm looking for plug & play parts, not having to turn barrel blanks on the lathe.
Hey, that's fine. You're not touching .30AR or .450 bushmaster for licensing issues. Not a big deal. But there are other avenues and calibers to explore, and every time something is brought up, all we hear is "Not gonna happen."
So those of us that want to be the oddballs... we pay more. Sell us a .223 gun, but be willing to sell us the oddball upper, or at least the parts to make that oddball upper with the caveat that we're on our own in case it doesn't go bang, or shoot the #### off a flea like we thought it would. I'll mention my V8 S10 one more time: it cost me about 4 times what it was really worth in the end, but it made me happy and still did everything I wanted it to do.
I've mentioned this already too. I don't want to lug 10+ pounds of rifle through the bush to shoot deer. I have an M14 that weighs less than the MH, but it's not as accurate. My bolt gun is far more accurate and even lighter, but the recoil is far too harsh for my girlfriend to shoot. She can handle my AR15 quite well. But the recoil from my bolt action .223 is too much for her. How the hell am I supposed to introduce someone THAT recoil sensitive to hunting? Or what about the guys who have kids? Or me with my nephew? Or my 16 year old cousin who is barely 5 feet tall and 120 pounds soaking wet? A lightweight, gas operated semi auto that still has enough punch to drop a whitetail at 300 yards is nearly ideal. But if it produces shotgun pattern sized groups, said gun is ####ing useless. Sure, with good handloads and the right bullet choice it's doable in a .223, but you can't legally hunt deer in Alberta with a .223.
