Modern VARMINTER .... ?

Grizz Axxemann said:
Are they coming into Canada in NR barrel lengths already? Are they as accurate as an AR15, or what the MV should be capable of? I'm looking for plug & play parts, not having to turn barrel blanks on the lathe.
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no, you buy a restricted and convert it. My 450 shoots under 1 MOA with factory Remington ammo. You can adapt an AR barrel to work if you do not want a custom barrel like I went with.
 
Grizz Axxemann said:
Several manufacturers offer 6x45mm/6mm-223 (it's the same thing) as a regular chambering. Cooper immediately comes to mind, since they are another high-end, high-performance gun maker. Either way, I think the whole "we're only making this in .223, and that's it" line is bull####. It's Rick's business, no doubt about it, but it's doing a fine job of keeping my money in my wallet through no willpower of my own. It's great he's offering different grip, handguard and stock options. But what if I don't like ANY of them? I'm stuck getting more ####ty A2 junk that's going to sit in a parts bin or get tossed in the trash. I'd rather be sold a stripped lower with LPK and a nearly complete upper to finish as I see fit. I went through this #### setting up my DPMS just the way I wanted it. I learned my lesson to build, not buy.


I'm not expecting other calibers to be offered immediately. I still have a long ways to go to save up for one of these guns on my income. In terms of my V8 powered S10, I built it. Sell me the pile of parts I want to make the gun of my dreams and we both walk away happy.



I want a .223. I also want a deer-suitable caliber to fit the same lower. What I'm getting is "We're making .223 and nothing else, so tough ####. Buy our 13 pound behemoth or don't bother, because we don't want your money that bad."



Are they coming into Canada in NR barrel lengths already? Are they as accurate as an AR15, or what the MV should be capable of? I'm looking for plug & play parts, not having to turn barrel blanks on the lathe.



Hey, that's fine. You're not touching .30AR or .450 bushmaster for licensing issues. Not a big deal. But there are other avenues and calibers to explore, and every time something is brought up, all we hear is "Not gonna happen."



So those of us that want to be the oddballs... we pay more. Sell us a .223 gun, but be willing to sell us the oddball upper, or at least the parts to make that oddball upper with the caveat that we're on our own in case it doesn't go bang, or shoot the #### off a flea like we thought it would. I'll mention my V8 S10 one more time: it cost me about 4 times what it was really worth in the end, but it made me happy and still did everything I wanted it to do.



I've mentioned this already too. I don't want to lug 10+ pounds of rifle through the bush to shoot deer. I have an M14 that weighs less than the MH, but it's not as accurate. My bolt gun is far more accurate and even lighter, but the recoil is far too harsh for my girlfriend to shoot. She can handle my AR15 quite well. But the recoil from my bolt action .223 is too much for her. How the hell am I supposed to introduce someone THAT recoil sensitive to hunting? Or what about the guys who have kids? Or me with my nephew? Or my 16 year old cousin who is barely 5 feet tall and 120 pounds soaking wet? A lightweight, gas operated semi auto that still has enough punch to drop a whitetail at 300 yards is nearly ideal. But if it produces shotgun pattern sized groups, said gun is ####ing useless. Sure, with good handloads and the right bullet choice it's doable in a .223, but you can't legally hunt deer in Alberta with a .223.
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Easy solution to your problem. Lease some warehouse space, invest several million in high end equipment, hire top shelf staff, invest even more money into r&d, negotiate with the government on your firearms status, buy liability insurance, make payroll every two weeks, and keep your customers coming back. Problem solved.

If you don't like what ATRS is offering then spend your money somewhere else. I for one am tickled that a local Alberta business is offering very high end products, at what I consider to be reasonable prices. I still don't understand why Ferrari doesn't make a woody station wagon.....oh wait I know it's cause they don't want to.....
 
cariboocreek said:
Easy solution to your problem. Lease some warehouse space, invest several million in high end equipment, hire top shelf staff, invest even more money into r&d, negotiate with the government on your firearms status, buy liability insurance, make payroll every two weeks, and keep your customers coming back. Problem solved.

If you don't like what ATRS is offering then spend your money somewhere else. I for one am tickled that a local Alberta business is offering very high end products, at what I consider to be reasonable prices. I still don't understand why Ferrari doesn't make a woody station wagon.....oh wait I know it's cause they don't want to.....
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You want to bankroll the operation, I'll be happy to do the work for 25% of the net profits. You can have the rest.
 
There is nothing rong with asking about other upper for the MV
As a consumers why wounldent you ask
ATRS as a manafacter has every right to say no
 
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carverk said:
There is nothing wrong with asking about other upper for the MV
As a consumers why wouldn't you ask
ATRS s a manufacturer has every right to say no
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exactly, Third parties shaming people for asking if a manufacturer will make something they want is a little ridiculous
 
Asking is fine, but a few of the comments have leaned toward ATRS somehow doing wrong by not obliging the asks.....

Maybe the sentiments are just misunderstood and lost in typed words...
 
Brian46 said:
exactly, Third parties shaming people for asking if a manufacturer will make something they want is a little ridiculous
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LOL, you guys sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats. "Wah, I want this! I want that! I want it now!"

Has it ever occurred to you that those "third parties" are actually customers of ATRS? The MV is currently in production, ATRS has accepted orders and the first guns, ASSUMING NOTHING GOES WRONG, will be finished by summertime. That means for the rest of the year, they will be busy building current orders, so the only way they could develop alternate calibers would be to divert resources away from fulfilling current orders. Once things cool down, and they have time to assess whether a business case can be made to develop alternate calibers, they may do so, but that is likely a couple of years away at best.

So all those who keep hounding ATRS about alternate calibers are not doing anyone any favours. They already answered that question: for the foreseeable future, the MV will only be available in one caliber. You guys need to STFU and let ATRS build the guns for those who actually put their money where there mouth is.
 
Olyar15 said:
LOL, you guys sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats. "Wah, I want this! I want that! I want it now!"

Has it ever occurred to you that those "third parties" are actually customers of ATRS? The MV is currently in production, ATRS has accepted orders and the first guns, ASSUMING NOTHING GOES WRONG, will be finished by summertime. That means for the rest of the year, they will be busy building current orders, so the only way they could develop alternate calibers would be to divert resources away from fulfilling current orders. Once things cool down, and they have time to assess whether a business case can be made to develop alternate calibers, they may do so, but that is likely a couple of years away at best.

So all those who keep hounding ATRS about alternate calibers are not doing anyone any favours. They already answered that question: for the foreseeable future, the MV will only be available in one caliber. You guys need to STFU and let ATRS build the guns for those who actually put their money where there mouth is.
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Well said! The "it's all about me and the calibre I want" crowd is simply annoying. You can't always get what you want. Moaning about it doesn't help anyone.
 
Olyar15 said:
LOL, you guys sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats. "Wah, I want this! I want that! I want it now!"

Has it ever occurred to you that those "third parties" are actually customers of ATRS? The MV is currently in production, ATRS has accepted orders and the first guns, ASSUMING NOTHING GOES WRONG, will be finished by summertime. That means for the rest of the year, they will be busy building current orders, so the only way they could develop alternate calibers would be to divert resources away from fulfilling current orders. Once things cool down, and they have time to assess whether a business case can be made to develop alternate calibers, they may do so, but that is likely a couple of years away at best.

So all those who keep hounding ATRS about alternate calibers are not doing anyone any favours. They already answered that question: for the foreseeable future, the MV will only be available in one caliber. You guys need to STFU and let ATRS build the guns for those who actually put their money where there mouth is.
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Yep. Customer here. Waiting for my Modern Hunter.....patiently.....
 
It's fine to ask for another caliber but when the answer is clearly no, just leave it at that. Continuing to post over and over again about wanting another caliber just clutters the thread.
 
cariboocreek said:
I still don't understand why Ferrari doesn't make a woody station wagon.....oh wait I know it's cause they don't want to.....
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Thats the best analogy I have seen so far.


WTF, Ferrari is such a lame company. They totally suck b@lls.

All I wanted was a 488 GTB, but with 4x4 and a 6" lift kit, and they refused to do it

Can't get the options I want!! And I'm the customer, I'm always right.

Heck I can buy a F-150 in either 2wd or 4wd and at waayyyy cheaper. Seriously, for the price of a new 488 GTB I ought to get what ever I want on it.

Not even a camper hitch...WTF!!!!

Obviously Ferrari doesn't want my money or they would give me the options I want.

I called them and they refused to offer a 6" lift. Outright refused to consider a special order option. Totally SUX for them they are totally missing out on some serious market share.

Don't they realize that we in the microphallus community need at least a 6" lift kit, (12" would be better). They are ignoring a HUGE,̶ ..... um...I mean.... Large .....er....a NUMEROUS market: (heck all of Asia), and they totally ignore it.

Ferrari.....pfffft.

I will keep my money and those lame N00Bs will continue to suck.
 
Dr. Hunter said:
It's fine to ask for another caliber but when the answer is clearly no
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? ATRS themselves have posted that other calibers will possibly be available in the future for this rifle. Lots of interest in other calibers, If we don't post what we would like, how do they gauge interest for future caliber availability/production?
 
Brianma65 said:
Can't you guys just buy a MV and do all the chops yourselves? That's all you did with the ACR isn't it?
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read ATRS's previous posts about that as I asked that question directly. I still do not have a clear answer that parts enabling me to build another caliber upper would be available for sale from ATRS

His response inferred that ATRS may be sued if I built the calibers I want on his rifle after I have purchased it from them, so I do not really know what to think.
 
Olyar15 said:
LOL, you guys sound like a bunch of spoiled, entitled brats. "Wah, I want this! I want that! I want it now!"

Has it ever occurred to you that those "third parties" are actually customers of ATRS?
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still a third party as my questions are directed to the manufacturer.....you seem to think that I have not been a customer of ATRS in past present and future, do you have a crystal ball?
 
For now they have said only 223 and I think it's fine to say I would like 300 black as an option in the future and leave it at that but there are some people here that have been trying to argue and posted multiple times about the same calibre in multiple threads.
 
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