Modulus Arms 80 Percent AR15 / AR10 Lower BUILD KITS

curious as to why all information about the 80% receivers and jigs seemed to have been removed from your site,??
 
I remember when they were talking about airguns as firearms..

“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm
 
Jim Guns said:
I remember when they were talking about airguns as firearms..

“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm
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So a block of steel could be considered a firearm!?! bU!! $#!t!!
 
bobdbldr said:
So a block of steel could be considered a firearm!?! bU!! $#!t!!
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Section 2 definition in the criminal code. It existed well before the firearms act. Not all firearms are regulated by the firearms act.

Just because it is a firearm under the criminal code, it doesn't automatically mean the firearm needs a pal to possess it etc.
 
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bobdbldr said:
So a block of steel could be considered a firearm!?! bU!! $#!t!!
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It's written that way so that they can cover their bases. If they wanted to nail you for your paintball gun they can do it.

Remember, the kid that got charged with firearm offenses for shooting a BB gun at someone. If they want to get you, they can and they will.
 
Jim Guns said:
It's written that way so that they can cover their bases. If they wanted to nail you for your paintball gun they can do it.

Remember, the kid that got charged with firearm offenses for shooting a BB gun at someone. If they want to get you, they can and they will.
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It still has to be proved that the projectile can cause serious injury or death. There is interesting case law on the amount of kinetic energy a projectile requires to cause serious injury as defined by law. Tests involved pig eyes.
 
nothing wrong or illegal about 80% receiver,,,lots of them get sipped into Canada all the time,,not exactly hard to come by,,they can be had for as low as $25.00 in places,,
 
fenceline said:
It still has to be proved that the projectile can cause serious injury or death. There is interesting case law on the amount of kinetic energy a projectile requires to cause serious injury as defined by law. Tests involved pig eyes.
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/air_gun-arme_air-eng.htm

There are two general types of air guns (also known as BB guns, pellet guns, spring guns or air soft guns):

air (pneumatic system), and
spring (spring-air)
A third type, gas (CO2/nitrogen), even though they are not, strictly speaking, "air guns," are subject to the same rules set out below. For purposes of the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code, air guns can be further divided into four categories:

1. Air guns that are firearms for purposes of both the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code

These are air guns with both a high muzzle velocity (greater than 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second) and a high muzzle energy (greater than 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds). The "muzzle velocity" is the speed of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, normally expressed in metres per second or feet per second. The "muzzle energy" is the energy of a projectile at the instant it leaves the muzzle of a gun, expressed in joules or foot-pounds. Air guns need to meet both standards to be classified as firearms for purposes of the Firearms Act.

These high-powered air guns are subject to the same licence and registration requirements as a conventional firearm. Owners and users are also required to store, transport, display and handle them safely in accordance with the regulations supporting the Firearms Act.

Usually, the manufacturer's specifications are used to determine what muzzle velocity and muzzle energy an air gun was designed to have. This information may be available in the user's manual or on the manufacturer's website. If the information is not available, individuals can call the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) at 1-800-731-4000 and ask to speak to a firearm technician to find out if the air gun is considered to be a firearm for purposes of the Firearms Act.

High-powered air rifles are generally classified as non-restricted firearms. However, the classification depends on the exact design of the air gun. Air rifles manufactured to resemble an assault rifle could be non-restricted, restricted or prohibited depending on the exact model imitated. High-powered air rifles would also be prohibited firearms if fully automatic or if they have a sawed-off barrel. They could also be restricted firearms if they have a folding stock that reduces the overall length to less than 660mm.

2. Air guns that meet the Criminal Code definition of a firearm, but are deemed not to be firearms for certain purposes of the Firearms Act and Criminal Code

These are air guns with a maximum muzzle velocity of 152.4 metres or 500 feet per second and/or a maximum muzzle energy of 5.7 joules or 4.2 foot-pounds. Such air guns are exempt from licensing, registration, and other requirements under the Firearms Act, and from penalties set out in the Criminal Code for possessing a firearm without a valid licence or registration certificate.

However, they are considered to be firearms under the Criminal Code if they are used to commit a crime. Anyone who uses such an air gun to commit a crime faces the same penalties as someone who uses a regular firearm.

The simple possession, acquisition and use of these air guns for lawful purposes are regulated more by provincial and municipal laws and by-laws than by federal law. For example, some provinces may have set a minimum age for acquiring such an air gun. For more information, please contact your local or provincial authorities.

These air guns are exempt from the specific safe storage, transportation and handling requirements set out in the regulations supporting the Firearms Act. However, the Criminal Code requires that reasonable precautions be taken to use, carry, handle, store, transport and ship them in a safe and secure manner.

3. Air guns that are replica firearms

These are air guns not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices.

In particular, some air guns commonly known as air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal. An airsoft gun, firing a .20g 6mm plastic pellet with a muzzle velocity below 111.6 m/s (366 fps), and resembling with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, other than an antique firearm, is a replica firearm and therefore a prohibited device.

Although replica firearms are prohibited, individuals may keep those they owned on December 1, 1998. It is not necessary to have a licence to possess them, and they do not need to be registered. However, an individual cannot import or acquire a replica firearm. If a replica firearm is taken out of Canada, it will not be allowed back in.
The Criminal Code sets out penalties for using a replica firearm or any other imitation firearm to commit a crime.

The CFP receives many enquiries from people wondering whether a low-powered air gun would be considered a replica if it resembles a ream firearm in terms of its shape, but it is made of clear or brightly coloured plastic, or has significant dimensional differences. Many of these devices need to be assessed on a case-by case basis. As a general rule, however, devices significantly smaller or larger than the real version are not classified as replica firearms.

4. Air guns that are neither firearms nor replicas

These are air guns that are not powerful enough to be classified as firearms and that do not resemble a real firearm closely enough to be considered a replica. An example would be a harmless air gun made out of clear plastic or a device that is obviously a child's toy.

Like replicas, they generally fall within the definition of an "imitation firearm" and may be subject to some penalties under the Criminal Code if used to commit a crime.
 
hootguy said:
nothing wrong or illegal about 80% receiver,,,lots of them get sipped into Canada all the time,,not exactly hard to come by,,they can be had for as low as $25.00 in places,,
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I think they're as great as owning 3D printer and printing your own guns, but how things seems to be phrased and misinterpreted to meet the needs of those looking to charge you with something, I wouldn't bother personally unless I saw it in writing.
 
So why have these been allowed to be sold for years here with no repercussions? Not making sense! Places have been raided for things as simple as assisted opening knives etc. so if these were not allowed to be sold as is, they would have been shut down years ago! If folks don't follow the rules required by law after they buy the product, then the individual is in contradiction to the laws!
Oh yes, I would say they took down the adds to drop the prices in line with other sponsors selling these products!
 
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I'm speculating based on the 80% lowers that you see in the US where you drill a few holes and you're good to go. We don't exactly have the most lenient laws here and most people, if they knew that the outcome of their actions could be an issue, they may change their minds. Personally I would have called the CFO before I bought one just to make sure. It's nothing against the retailer, but how vague canadian firearm laws are interpreted.
 
Jim Guns said:
I'm speculating based on the 80% lowers that you see in the US where you drill a few holes and you're good to go. We don't exactly have the most lenient laws here and most people, if they knew that the outcome of their actions could be an issue, they may change their minds. Personally I would have called the CFO before I bought one just to make sure. It's nothing against the retailer, but how vague canadian firearm laws are interpreted.
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The purchaser, does have to call Miramichi and get the frt and register the lower before the build!
 
Damn, was waiting until I got paid to order a combo, looks like I missed out.

If you didn't get slapped by the RCMP or something for selling 80% stuff, I would also be interested in a 2011 80% frame.
 
Jim Guns said:
I'm speculating based on the 80% lowers that you see in the US where you drill a few holes and you're good to go. We don't exactly have the most lenient laws here and most people, if they knew that the outcome of their actions could be an issue, they may change their minds. Personally I would have called the CFO before I bought one just to make sure. It's nothing against the retailer, but how vague canadian firearm laws are interpreted.
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There is more to finishing an 80% lower than simply drilling a few holes. In the 80% state the entire trigger group pocket needs to be finished, milled out and pins holes drilled. If this was a real legal issue every single machine shop/CNC shop would be inspected/raided everyday as they have Aluminum ingots and machining equipment that could easily produce firearms. Not to mention every company or person with a 3D printer out there!

Lots of things are sold that can be made/converted into something illegal (hell a 10-22 can), it is the purchasers responsibility to make sure they don't do anything illegal with product. Follow the laws and don't be stupid, stupid people are the reason for stupid laws!
 
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